Another attack from the infamous Pit Bull breed

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Tell me first how the losers of WWII were prevented from breeding.

Ask the Jews.
Your turn.

Edit: or the Chinese in Nanjing in 37.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

i just came back from a walk. Britannia Park.
signs everywhere saying "all dogs must be on a leash" the sign as well notes that there is a dedicated large fenced area for off leash dog fun. it is a huge grassy area. fenced in.
the sign in front of the children's playground says "no dogs allowed".
the sign in front of the beach says "no dogs allowed".
probably 10-12 dogs in the park, all together. it's a slow day, due to icy conditions.
only one dog was on leash. dogs were in the playground, off leash, and on the beach, off leash.
not one dog in the designated area.

Bingo!

[Baz]

A post from FB today...

Yesterday I got the chance to rescue this sweet 16wk old baby. He was brought into the vet clinic I work at to be put to sleep because he was nipping at the owners kids(shocking behavior for a heeler ��). He now has a loving home that's going to give him the training and exercise he needs and a 3y/o red heeler brother. Welcome to the family Ruger!!

[Matt Smith]

Baz, you are a dog lover- and I'm guessing animal lover, which is something to be proud of. Me too.

Can you honestly continue to defend the actions of Pit Bulls? If so, why?
The news reported in my country was that the family concerned only had the animal for 3 months.
You also said this>> Exterminate the STUPID humans....not the dogs. Problem solved!

Which sounds like you'd rather exterminate people and forgive violent dog breeds. Not trying to be antagonistic here, but that is how it reads.

[Tobra]

Can you honestly continue to defend the actions of Pit Bulls? If so, why?

Do you honestly think this is what he is doing? If so, why?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Alan A

Ask the Jews.
Your turn.

The jews were given their own country and are thriving.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Matt Smith

Can you honestly continue to defend the actions of Pit Bulls? If so, why?
The news reported in my country was that the family concerned only had the animal for 3 months.
You also said this>> Exterminate the STUPID humans....not the dogs. Problem solved!

Which sounds like you'd rather exterminate people and forgive violent dog breeds. Not trying to be antagonistic here, but that is how it reads.

I'm with Baz - exterminate stupid and cruel humans, they know better and choose to be the way they are.
I was a lover of MY dogs exclusively for a long time. I was actually afraid of strange dogs, especially Pit Bulls, until my daughter in law got involved in Pit Bull rescue. Her rescue group ended up being the only emergency rescue in our area for abused dogs of all breeds. From my 5 year experience with the Pit Crew, I estimate Pit Bulls are abused and neglected at least three times as often as other breeds. In five years I've probably been exposed to 30 abused Pit Bulls. I've seen abuse of Pit Bulls that literally bring me to tears - like the female who had lighter fluid or kerosene thrown on her face and set on fire. Or the one that was thrown into a container of some caustic chemical - several that were chained outside in all weather and starved. With love, training, and proper care every one of these dogs learned to trust humans and have become model citizens. I am convinced it is not the dog - there is no "violent dog breed" - there are dog breeds that are powerful and people who push them beyond their limits of tolerance.

[recycled sixtie]

A recent news report states that a man went into Timmy Hortons at Whitecourt Alberta for coffee and left his two dogs outside loose. One dog sees something in the bush and goes after it. It is a cougar. The owner comes out and finds a cougar with his dog in its jaws. The owner goes over and punches the cougar in the nose and the dog is released.

In the meantime the dog owner is being hailed as a hero. The RCMP search out the offending cougar and kill it.The dog owner should have been charged with having two dogs off leash and the cougar ends up losing its life because of a dog owner's negligence.

In the last couple of years I have had two dogs take a run at me(off leash) and they were not pit bulls. I am happy to say I filed a complaint with Bylaws division and both owners got charged. As Judge Judy says on tv if you are being attacked by a dog you have the right to defend yourself.

[Jeff Higgins]

Funny, in all my years of running dogs in AKC field trials, I never once ran into anyone running Pit Bulls (nor many other breeds for that matter). On the flip side, we never hear of anyone running a Golden Retriever fighting ring.

Yes, "environment" plays a large role in any dog's behavior - we will never see an untrained, couch potato Lab win a field trial, nor will the same sort of lazy pet Pit Bull ever win a fight. We will, however, see a propensity to fetch, or an outright eagerness to fetch, in the Lab. It's been bred into them through generations of hard work by skilled breeders. Same with the Pit Bull - their propensity, even eagerness to display aggression has been similarly bred into them through equally hard work by equally skilled breeders. So, yes, environment has an affect, but only within the defined range established by any given breed's attributes as defined by their breeding. Anyone who denies the effectiveness of mankind's targeted, purpose breeding is a fool who immediately loses any credibility.

[vash]

Originally Posted by Matt Smith

Baz, you are a dog lover- and I'm guessing animal lover, which is something to be proud of. Me too.

Can you honestly continue to defend the actions of Pit Bulls? If so, why?
The news reported in my country was that the family concerned only had the animal for 3 months.
You also said this>> Exterminate the STUPID humans....not the dogs. Problem solved!

Which sounds like you'd rather exterminate people and forgive violent dog breeds. Not trying to be antagonistic here, but that is how it reads.

i love dogs.

i also dont read or see where the owners are idiots. what did they do to get labeled this? in the pics, they look like regular folks with a different sense of style than myself..i cant tell what they do for a living, how they voted, if they believe in a higher being.. all i know for sure is they think a pit bull should have a sweater..dont know what their reasoning is..a christmas sweater for a holiday pic? cuz the dog is cold?
was the dog raised to fight?

i adopted a dog. a terrier. feisty little effer. walking him, i heard a chain clanking behind me. a huge pitbull was running full sprint for us..across a street. i was hoping it got hit by a car before it got to me,,but no. i flipped opened my knife because that was all i had. it was "GO TIME" i was gonna try to defend my dog. my tiny dog looked at the situation and obviously felt, "he got this!" and jumped in front of me..i see a teen running..screaming..dont kill my dog!..the pit ran up and started hopping around like a puppy and wagging his ass. it wanted to play. i trusted my instincts and got ready.. by BAZ law, i should have sliced the kids neck..if that dog attacked us.

i'm prejudiced..i've seen a pit kill a basset pup..they are unstoppable when in that zone. big pits scare me cuz of what i have stored in my mind's eye.

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I'm with Baz - exterminate stupid and cruel humans, they know better and choose to be the way they are

So to be clear: these prospective to-be exterminated humans must be both stupid and cruel.

I'm in, providing I'm the one who gets to define stupid and cruel.

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[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Norm K

So to be clear: these prospective to-be exterminated humans must be both stupid and cruel.

I'm in, providing I'm the one who gets to define stupid and cruel.

_

We'll form a committee. Anything else would be stupid.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Funny, in all my years of running dogs in AKC field trials, I never once ran into anyone running Pit Bulls (nor many other breeds for that matter). On the flip side, we never hear of anyone running a Golden Retriever fighting ring.

Yes, "environment" plays a large role in any dog's behavior - we will never see an untrained, couch potato Lab win a field trial, nor will the same sort of lazy pet Pit Bull ever win a fight. We will, however, see a propensity to fetch, or an outright eagerness to fetch, in the Lab. It's been bred into them through generations of hard work by skilled breeders. Same with the Pit Bull - their propensity, even eagerness to display aggression has been similarly bred into them through equally hard work by equally skilled breeders. So, yes, environment has an affect, but only within the defined range established by any given breed's attributes as defined by their breeding. Anyone who denies the effectiveness of mankind's targeted, purpose breeding is a fool who immediately loses any credibility.

I guess it's a little ironic then, that my pitbull's favorite thing to do is fetch something. He'd rather do that than eat. Maybe he has a lab, somewhere in his woodpile. Or, maybe some dogs just like to fetch things.

I think you are overstating the genetic thing. I've owned a lot of boxers and there were no two alike. Some liked to fetch, some wouldn't fetch if you tossed them a ribeye steak. Some were diggers, some were not. Some were barkers, some were not. One liked to hang out on a raft in the pool, others wouldn't go near the pool. Point being, having a lot of experience with the breed, I'd be hard pressed to define any consistent characteristics in them that I'd say have any genetic coding. They all have individual personalities and I think the breeding/genetic thing is overblown. Some dogs are smarter than others, some have more energy than others; the challenge sometimes is to direct them in an appropriate direction.

A pitbull may be seen as dangerous or aggressive, but I can say that about dozens of breeds. Think a Shepard can't shred your leg in short order? Think a Doberman can't be a little high strung?

One thing I'm getting tired of in this country is the propensity for people with no actual, real experience with something thinking they know everything about it. That, and the notion that dogs are "just a pet" or a piece of property. They aren't yard ornaments, they aren't fashion accessories and they aren't something you "own."

JR

[Crowbob]

Oh please, java. Enough with the hysterics. Dogs are not people.

[Tobra]

That is true Bob, neither are they "things"

[javadog]

Hysterics? Nah. Just happen to like dogs... and I'm not overly fond of idiots (does this include you?) blathering on about subjects they know little about.

Go back to PARF, where you belong.

JR

[Crowbob]

Go ahead, java.

I gotta hand it to you. Not many people on this board are able to stimulate in me a response to their cowardliness. Well done.

But go ahead, come out from behind your smug self-righteousness and instead of suggesting it, come flat out and call me an idiot. Meet me over in PARF and we can discuss the matter further to spare yourself the embarrassment here.

You first, go ahead.

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by javadog

Point being, having a lot of experience with the breed, I'd be hard pressed to define any consistent characteristics in them that I'd say have any genetic coding.

Some dog breeds are predisposed to herding. Others are not.

Some dog breeds drool. Others do not.

Some dog breeds are generally and consistently very small, genetically incapable of being large. Others are generally and consistently large, genetically incapable of being very small.

Some dog breeds frequently have blue eyes. Others never do.

Some dog breeds ... well, I suspect the reasonable reader gets it by now.

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[javadog]

Yeah, I get all that. The point I was making, that you seem to have missed, was that the personality characteristics of a breed are less consistent than most people claim. In other words, people tend to generalize more than they should. I find this more common in people that have never had any firsthand experience with a breed.

It's no different than many other subjects. Few people know a subject very deeply, so they repeat what they hear, or read, from other people that don't know much more than they do. Nothing new, not likely to change.

JR

[Spud]

Originally Posted by javadog

I guess it's a little ironic then, that my pitbull's favorite thing to do is fetch something. He'd rather do that than eat. Maybe he has a lab, somewhere in his woodpile. Or, maybe some dogs just like to fetch things.

I think you are overstating the genetic thing. I've owned a lot of boxers and there were no two alike. Some liked to fetch, some wouldn't fetch if you tossed them a ribeye steak. Some were diggers, some were not. Some were barkers, some were not. One liked to hang out on a raft in the pool, others wouldn't go near the pool. Point being, having a lot of experience with the breed, I'd be hard pressed to define any consistent characteristics in them that I'd say have any genetic coding. They all have individual personalities and I think the breeding/genetic thing is overblown. Some dogs are smarter than others, some have more energy than others; the challenge sometimes is to direct them in an appropriate direction.

A pitbull may be seen as dangerous or aggressive, but I can say that about dozens of breeds. Think a Shepard can't shred your leg in short order? Think a Doberman can't be a little high strung?

One thing I'm getting tired of in this country is the propensity for people with no actual, real experience with something thinking they know everything about it. That, and the notion that dogs are "just a pet" or a piece of property. They aren't yard ornaments, they aren't fashion accessories and they aren't something you "own."

JR

Since we're on a Porsche forum JR... lets say your pitbull was not a dog, but rather a 996. Now you've heard of other 996 owners occasionally having IMS issues, but your car seems to be fine, but it does have that same IMS bearing in there. Are you going to argue with every 996 owner out there that there is no such thing as an IMS failure because yours is fine? Seems silly right?