My man cave build

[VincentVega]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Byron I have not ruled out spray on foam but I'm told it is cost prohibitive but won't know for sure until I call someone and get a quote . And everything I have read to do closed cell foam correctly you have to encapsulate the entire roof structure including ridge vent and soffits . I am old school and still believe a " breathing " attic is a better way to go .

oldE thanks for the feedback I am honing in on a solution .

Dont overthink it. You have a ridge/soffit or gable vents? Assuming so, just use faced batts in the ceiling.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by VincentVega

Dont overthink it. You have a ridge/soffit or gable vents? Assuming so, just use faced batts in the ceiling.

There is a full length ridge vent and I will be installing soffit vents the full 28 ' depth on both sides . And I agree I am over thinking this . I am going to install the radiant barrier that I already have because I know it works to help keep heat out of the attic space . Then one layer of kraft faced fiberglass insulation on the ceiling . Will add more fiberglass ( blown in ) if needed . Thanks for snapping me back to reality .

[rfuerst911sc]

I got the call Yep the Z metal was ready so I picked it up late today . Tomorrow I will install and then start hanging plywood !

[rfuerst911sc]

Today I installed all of the Z flashing then turned to the eye brow rafters it was just too muddy to install plywood today . So I now have all of the eye brow rafters in tomorrow I'll add PVC trim to the fascia then some plywood and roofing paper . May not get the metal roof on tomorrow but maybe Thursday . By then mud should be dry and I can start on the plywood .

[rfuerst911sc]

Decent progress today fascia boards installed on eye brow rafters and plywood deck for the roof is installed also . Tomorrow I have some aluminum trim work to do then install roofing paper and cut/install the metal roof . I'll be glad when this little roof is done so I can get cranking on the walls . Supposed to start raining this weekend

[rfuerst911sc]

Today I just wasn't in the mood to be on the ladder to complete the mini roof over the garage doors . So I went balls out to get some plywood on the building . Not sure how many friggen screws I drove today but both sides and the back now have the first row of plywood installed .

Took my router and cleaned up around window openings and anywhere I went a little long . I put a 4 ' level on every piece it is dead nuts level And the plywood is spaced 3/4 " above the Z flashing . While I am beat I am also inspired as it's starting to look like a building Tomorrow I have to complete the metal roof over the garage doors because it is supposed to rain Sat. and Sunday The next row just stacks on top of the first row I'm still thinking I may have it enclosed by end of next week IF the weather cooperates ....... we'll see . I'm not ashamed to say I feel my 60 years today I am sore all over

[tevake]

That is some nice progress, and good training for the coming effort of lifting the rest of the ply into place.

Yes we are also having a nice spell of weather these days here in the panhandle.
I've been surprised how closely our weather matches in timing, considering the distance.

Good luck in getting it closed in before this wet weekend comes.

Cheers Richard.

[rfuerst911sc]

It will take me most of the day today to complete the roof over the garage so no more plywood will be going up until tomorrows expected rain . Now if the rain holds off that's a different story . The good news is the next row of plywood will be the last row of full size sheets . The top row will be partial sheets closer to 2 ' x 8 ' in size so a little easier to juggle which is good because it will be on a ladder .

Once I complete the exterior sheathing I will wrap with house wrap I recently picked up a partial roll that is 9 ' x 120 ' for $25.00 ( nice score ) . After that I'll install the windows and the side entry door . Then it's a call to the electrician to do his thing . That will be a major turning point .

[rfuerst911sc]

Today was another good day , one layer of 30 lb. roofing paper went down and then I started cutting roofing metal . I'm using a circular saw with a plywood blade installed backwards . It works but WOW is it noisy !!! Anyway I have two pieces left to cut and done . Will finish up tomorrow as the rain is supposed to hit late in the day . I also have to bend up the roof flashing to go under the gable metal and onto the roof metal . White painted aluminum is what I'm using . Will post a pic or two tomorrow once it's done .

[rfuerst911sc]

I started early this morning because the weather forecast was not good . I had two pieces of roofing left to cut and install . Got that done pretty quick and felt good but that feeling would soon exit stage left To make it a little quicker I was installing the roof sections with one roofing nail , the intent was to just hold them in place until I could come back with the screws . So after I got the last panel in place I grabbed the bag of " special color coded " supposed self drilling screws . I say supposed because not one of the damn things would self drill .......... UH OH now what ? Rain was coming so I added just enough roofing nails so it was storm ready and then turned to the flashing .

The flashing is needed to transition from the vertical gable metal to the angled eye brow roof . I had removed all of the screws holding the bottom of the gable metal so now just had to bend up some aluminum , slip it behind the vertical metal and replace the removed screws . Sounds simple enough . First task was to take the coil stock 10 " wide painted white/brown material and stretch it out and make the angled bend . My " brake " was a piece of plywood . Only had to get a slight bend in it because once slid behind the other metal it would form on it's own .

Just as I attempted to install the first piece of course it started to rain There's something special about being 12 ' in the air on a ladder with an electric drill in hand while being rained on I needed to install three pieces and it poured on me three times........ I guess mother nature calls us even But I persevered and have it all tucked in behind the vertical metal . I was not able to tack down any of the roof portion because of the screw issue and I forgot to purchase the foam that goes under the flashing to keep wind driven rain and bugs out . So I have to go purchase the foam on Monday and I guess I will pre-drill the holes for the screws.

I was pretty pissed off by the time I finished so just took this one crappy pic . The black you see on the fascia is the roofing paper that I extended down from the roof . That will be covered with metal also . If the weather is good on Monday I will start installing the next row of plywood on the walls . I'm taking the rest of today/tomorrow off to rest and watch the 24 hours of Daytona .

[tevake]

It's coming along. Not surprising that when going from one material to another, wood to metal, that there are hiccups. You are getting there.

I've got to ask where you are finding these good deals on materials?

Cheers Richard

[rfuerst911sc]

I seem to have a knack for finding deals , being retired I have the time to look . The 10.00 per sheet plywood and the 25.00 roll of house wrap were both Craigslist scores . The entry door and four windows came from a local liquidator . The Mitsubishi mini split was purchased from an online retailer . If I go with metal siding when I was at the shop picking up the Z metal I saw they sell " 2nds " for 1.69 l.f. vs. first quality at 1.89 . I asked what the difference was and they stated color match can't be guaranteed with the 2nds . But all I care about is it matches itself and they have 8000 ' rolls that they will make the panels from . Every little bit helps on a large project.

I'm no different than anyone else , I want the best bang for my buck . I want the building to be structurally sound , look good and be as maintenance free as possible . I have been shopping wall insulation for a few weeks now , there are the local box stores , local insulation warehouses and out of state insulation businesses . I will consider cost of fuel vs. not paying sales tax for out of state purchase but Alabama or Tenn. are very close . And I'm not ruling out hiring out the insulation but have to get some quotes . Might even go with 2 " of spray on foam and then conventional fiberglass to fill the wall cavity . Time will tell .

[rfuerst911sc]

Need some advice from the gang . I decided to look for spray foam insulation contractors and get prices for just doing the walls . I have aprox. 1016 s.f. of wall cavities to fill . Received one price of $1930.00 for 3 " of closed cell foam . Received another quote for $2200.00 for 2 " of closed cell foam . The higher quote the guy was very boastful that he's a real pro , licensed and bonded with two " citizens " in the trailer . I guess it was his way of saying if someone is lower priced they will not give you as good a job as he will . I have no way of proving or disproving .

So looking at Home Depot website and I know I can buy cheaper they have R19 Kraft faced insulation for $70.11 for 118.83 s.f. so I would have to purchase 9 rolls/bundles . Even at their inflated price it's $630.99 . Quite a difference between foam and fiberglass but I also know it's not an apples to apples comparison . The only reason I am considering the foam is I like the idea of the added structural rigidity and its resistance to bugs/mice . But on the rigidity I will have 1/2 plywood inside and out so how much more strength do I need ? And we have no issues with bugs/mice in our house so probably won't have issues in the man cave .

For the price difference I would probably go with the R21 insulation or Roxul and would probably be better off . What would you guys do ? I also have to remember that I will NOT be running the AC/heat 24/7 . I will run it when I am using the garage and only when it's needed . I think this is another " over thinking " moment talk me off the ledge guys

[billybek]

I am a big fan of Roxul mineral wool bats. High density reduces drafts and fire proof.

[VincentVega]

roxul is great, as mentioned it doenst burn/no paper and helps with sound. I used it with a semi-solid vapor barrier, simple but a bit more time. Its not cheap though. Its my personal choice. Think about how often or if you will change wiring. Popping a few holes or removing a panel then some insulation is much easier than chipping foam to add a new piece of 12/3 or whatever.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by VincentVega

roxul is great, as mentioned it doenst burn/no paper and helps with sound. I used it with a semi-solid vapor barrier, simple but a bit more time. Its not cheap though. Its my personal choice. Think about how often or if you will change wiring. Popping a few holes or removing a panel then some insulation is much easier than chipping foam to add a new piece of 12/3 or whatever.

Those are my thoughts as well.

I used Prodex when I wrapped my old tobacco barn.

http://www.prodexcr.com/descargas/23%20AD5-%20AD10%20INGLES.pdf

I don't remember the price but it was less than foam. There are other reasons I walked from foam, but they do not apply in your case.

[rfuerst911sc]

Today started out in low 30's I waited until 10:00 when it had warmed to 32 degrees Anyway I now have the 2nd row of plywood installed on both sides and the back I'm almost there ! Tomorrow morning I will clean up with my router the window and door openings and the ends where I left it a little long . Then onto the top row , with any luck she'll be enclosed by the end of the day tomorrow !

My goal if the weather holds up is to have it house wrapped by Sunday . I contacted the electrician and asked him to put me on his schedule because I'll be ready by the end of next week . That will be a huge step forward as I'll then be able to move forward with the garage doors . And once the house wrap is done I'll go ahead and install the four windows and the entry door .

I did some online shopping for the Roxul insulation wow they are proud of that product But it sure looks like good stuff I'll have to do more research and try to find a deal . To those of you that chimed in on the insulation thank you . Here are 3 pics of today's progress . The 16 ounce Michelob Ultra's are flowing just fine as I type this......... purely for medicinal purposes

[Captain Ahab Jr]

I'm loving this thread, you've inspired me to start up my own man shed thread

I'll wait until I've finished it so you guys can see how a UK Pelican goes about building a much smaller UK version

Hey! Mr. Wolf you can huff and puff but you'll never blow down my man cave!

[rfuerst911sc]

Nice to see we have an international audience I'm pretty sure Mr. Wolf can't blow down my man cave he'll need a lot of help . I'm sitting here drinking coffee and mentally going over my tasks for the day . I'm still a bit tired/sore from yesterday so today's pace will be slower . It's not a race but a marathon

[rfuerst911sc]

Today was another chilly morning so I didn't start until almost 10:30 . Cleaned up all of the window and door openings with my router so they are done . I then started on the left side as it was in the sun . While still cool the sun felt real good . Positioning ladders on the sides is a challenge because of the excavation and elevation . I have one of those as seen on TV multi position ladders and it came in very handy . I was making precise cuts here so took a little longer . But I'm happy to say the plywood is 100 % done on the left side ! WOOHOO some good visual progress

Tomorrow I will attempt to get the right side done , because all my router work is done I think I'll be able to get the right side done . Then it's just the back . After tomorrow the weather is going to be iffy with chances of rain so I'll just take it one day at a time . Here is one pic of the completed left side .