Tabs was right... the end is near.

[motion]

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/06/porsche-hybrid-911-coupe/

I guess it was inevitable.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Must be big changes coming for the next platform, I’ve read that the current 991 platform does not have th space for packaging a hybrid drivetrain.

[GH85Carrera]

The German government and many of the the other European governments are requiring the car manufacturers to produce electric and hybrid cars. If Porsche wants to sell cars, they have to do it. Much like the US government demands the car makers put in systems for the stupid drivers of the world. Like tire pressure monitors and back up cameras. Any car that is going to be sold as a new car in the USA has to have those and a ton of other gadgets to reduce the accidents from bad drivers from killing themselves and others.

[kach22i]

From a link in the original article.

Plug-in 911 is on the way — about 2023
http://www.autonews.com/article/20171204/OEM05/171209947/porsche-911-plug-in-hybrid?

Blume's comments clear up uncertainty about 911 electrification plans. The company had indicated it was exploring a plug-in hybrid version but said this spring it had dropped the option in part because battery weight would make performance unacceptable.

Porsche has prepared the next-generation 911's platform to accommodate the battery system for the plug-in hybrid, Blume said. And waiting until the midcycle update will allow Porsche to get more power and range from the batteries, he said.

I just wanted to make sure I was getting the term "Plug-in hybrid" right.

Plug-in hybrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_hybrid

A plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) is a hybrid electric vehicle that uses rechargeable batteries, or another energy storage device, that can be recharged by plugging it in to an external source of electric power as well as an on-board internal combustion engine and generator....................

This distinguishes PHEVs from regular hybrid cars mass marketed today, which do not use any electricity from the grid...................

The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) defines PHEVs similarly, but also requires that the hybrid electric vehicle be able to drive at least ten miles (16 km) in all-electric mode (PHEV-10; PHEV16km), while consuming no gasoline or diesel fuel.[27]...................

Invention and early interest

The Lohner-Porsche Mixte Hybrid, produced as early as 1899, was the first hybrid electric car.[33][34] Early hybrids could be charged from an external source before operation.

If the end is leading you back where you started, then yes, the end is near.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by kach22i

From a link in the original article.


If the end is leading you back where you started, then yes, the end is near.

After 118 years the technology is just another decade away from really working. It was a great idea back then, but not practical. After 118 years it works in appliance cars, high end expensive cars, and large expensive cars like a Panamara.

Maybe in 10 or 15 years it will be viable in a sports car.

Well if you have really really really deep pockets it works on a 918 class of car. I doubt anyone uses a 918 as a daily driver.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by motion

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/06/porsche-hybrid-911-coupe/

I guess it was inevitable.

Isn't this just trickle down / natural progression from



Kind of like turbos, awd, etc....

And it didn't say that they would ALL by hybrid. I suspect that by the time it comes out, it'll be pretty kick-butt.

[recycled sixtie]

Being an incurable optimist there will be hybrid or electric cars in the future. You look at the number of cars on the roads now and are increasing in number.

Sure electricity has to be produced but it can be produced by clean sources. The air we breathe must be cleaner in the future or else we succumb to airborne particulates.

Elon Musk's ideas may seem far fetched but inventors will find solutions that are affordable.

[wdfifteen]

"The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) defines PHEVs similarly, but also requires that the hybrid electric vehicle be able to drive at least ten miles (16 km) in all-electric mode (PHEV-10; PHEV16km), while consuming no gasoline or diesel fuel."

Ten miles is a pretty pathetic requirement. Current PHEVs get 40+ miles per charge and range increases with every new series of cars that comes out.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by recycled sixtie

Being an incurable optimist there will be hybrid or electric cars in the future.

In the future? I drive one every day now.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by recycled sixtie

Being an incurable optimist there will be hybrid or electric cars in the future. You look at the number of cars on the roads now and are increasing in number.

Sure electricity has to be produced but it can be produced by clean sources. The air we breathe must be cleaner in the future or else we succumb to airborne particulates.

Elon Musk's ideas may seem far fetched but inventors will find solutions that are affordable.

I saw the math somewhere. The amount of energy needed every single day in the just USA alone for cars and trucks and general transportation is staggering. It is many times more than all the current, um present electrical generating capacity.

We will have to build a lot of power plants. And they all use energy of some sort. Wind and solar will never be enough. Coal and Natural Gas is the biggest source of the electricity.

No doubt at all, the hybrid cars of today are not bad, but if you look at the overall cost of purchase, maintenance, and long term use, a standard gasoline only car is cheaper. There is a premium to buy the hybrid. Unless you drive a LOT, it is just something to make you feel good about yourself.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

"The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) defines PHEVs similarly, but also requires that the hybrid electric vehicle be able to drive at least ten miles (16 km) in all-electric mode (PHEV-10; PHEV16km), while consuming no gasoline or diesel fuel."

Ten miles is a pretty pathetic requirement. Current PHEVs get 40+ miles per charge and range increases with every new series of cars that comes out.

10 miles would be pathetic for a full electric, but for a vehicle designed as a hybrid, it depends upon which direction you want to compromise. Clearly a 918 or any one of the other hybrid super cars with 800-1000 combine hp is a different compromise than a Prius. Then there are the large SUVs and mini-van type things.

Still, I think hybrid is the way to go, at least for now. Have an IC engine generate the power for the electrics with minimal battery to keep weight down until we can come up with the great new battery that everyone is looking for.

[RKDinOKC]

According to Brother Bob's "research," There is something called a single point energy source. It produces enough energy to power a city block from something the size of a shoebox.

His "research" is somewhat questionable since I discovered this past holiday stay that he did not know or understand how to use Google to search the internet.

He has been trying for year to get me or my other brother to buy plans to build a generator the size of a shoebox to power our houses. Says the government keeps shutting the places selling plans down because they are producing them and putting them in storage so only the millitary will have power when we run out of petroleum. Tried showing Bob the web sites where people say they have built these things and they barely make a volt of power capturing static electricity. Bob says that is just the government trying to cover it up and the builders don't have the technical ability to build it correctly.

The only thing I wonder about is I understand Nichola Tesla in 1914 powered an electric car around New York for a week with a box the size of a shoebox and nothing else. It only had the power wires and an on/off lever sticking out of it. When bystanders scoffed, he got pissed took the box back to his lab and never talked about it again.

There seems to be a lot of mystery and conspiracy around Tesla's disappearance. Personally, I think with all his experiments in sending electricity from place to place without wires he fried himself to an unrecognizable crisp.

[RKDinOKC]

Even in Science Fiction power comes from off world crystals. Example: Star Trek's matter anti-matter drives require dilithium crystals from off planet mines.

[BE911SC]

Initial resistance to change will likely give way to acceptance over time.

[scottmandue]

It all started with that darn evil light bulb! Candles were good enough for thousands of years! And that stupid sewing machine, put all those seamstresses out of work!
Don't get me started on the crazy horseless carriages, those things are a death traps!
I'm telling you if man were meant to fly he would have been born with wings gosh diddly darn it!!

I'm still waiting for the Porsche pickup truck....

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

It all started with that darn evil light bulb! Candles were good enough for thousands of years! And that stupid sewing machine, put all those seamstresses out of work!
Don't get me started on the crazy horseless carriages, those things are a death traps!
I'm telling you if man were meant to fly he would have been born with wings gosh diddly darn it!!

I'm still waiting for the Porsche pickup truck....

Mercedes is slated to sell a Pickup.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-mercedes-benz-x-class-pickup-first-drive-review

If they sell well, don't expect Porsche or VW to wait ling to sell em as well.

[scottmandue]

I would consider a hybrid for my wife's next car (she wants one).

Having said that I'm a little disappointed in Porsche.

Mazda is getting tremendous gas mileage out of gas powered engines with out using hybrid tech.

Toyota and Hyundai have dedicated platforms for hybrids... why the heck would Porsche try to sell a hybrid 911?

[GH85Carrera]

Because the Europeans demand all the car makers make electric and hybrid cars. Like the US DOT demands airbags, the Europeans are driving the noise levels and the power units that can be sold.

[porsche tech]

Have you seen this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F04MXepYiBs

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Mercedes is slated to sell a Pickup.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-mercedes-benz-x-class-pickup-first-drive-review

If they sell well, don't expect Porsche or VW to wait ling to sell em as well.

From the article:

At more than €37,000 in its German home market (a figure that includes a 19 percent sales tax, so call it $37,000 or so pre-tax), the Mercedes-Benz X-class isn’t cheap. Adding the twin-turbo engine, automatic transmission, and all-wheel drive puts an extra €4500 on the tab, and that’s for the base Pure model.

I looked at a $45,000 Colorado pickup truck, looked and gasped, then laughed.

It was sweet looking, had roll bars and everything imaginable.