AR-15 truths?

[rattlsnak]

8" spread is better chances of a hit than .223 of an inch!

[Tobra]

Which do you think would be easier for a 110# woman to wield, 12 gauge shotgun or a Mini 14?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by varmint

I keep a revolver loaded with .454 casull by the bed. **** anyone on the other side of that wall. Or three hundred yards away hiding behind a car.

What about the kid sleeping in bed next door? It is people like you that gives guns a bad name and the GC nutz a poster boy to point at.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Which do you think would be easier for a 110# woman to wield, 12 gauge shotgun or a Mini 14?

I have zero experience w/ a Mini, but I'm a firm believer in that first shot stopping a threat dead in it's tracks...there is NO substitute for 00 imo....none . Full power 00 is a freakin' handful...but ya don't need to reach out that far for home defense. The Fiocchi 00 low velocity loads are the real deal...and quite managable imo...and there is just no comparison when it comes to instant stopping power....YMMV.

I edited this post...rare for me to proofread or correct speeling distakes....but Fiachi ain't right

[Hellraiser]

I have an M4, use it for DSR (dynamic service rifle) competition



I'm not much of a handgun guy.

[Hellraiser]

also a SIG PE90, AK and FAL, but the M4 is something that is more
handy when a burglar gets in my house..

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Please explain. Obviously you wouldn't want to load your HD mags with barrier-blind rounds.
So taking that option out of the equation, how exactly is a standard (or HD-specific) .223/5.56 round a "beyond irresponsible" choice, as compared to other HD choices (9mm, .45, 12ga, etc.)?

I can think of a few reasons for it not being a practical choice, but am not seeing how it would be an irresponsible one.

'barrier blind' is silly. Take a .223 rifle to the range and shoot whatever cheap ammo you feel like at some wood, metal, drywall, pork ribs, whatever you want. That little 55 grain projectile will be like 'did I just feel a tug?' as it passes through whatever household items you might want to put in front of it.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Which do you think would be easier for a 110# woman to wield, 12 gauge shotgun or a Mini 14?

a 24" barreled Benelli Montefeltro 20ga will weigh maybe 6lbs. doesn't get much lighter than that!

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by berettafan

a 24" barreled Benelli Montefeltro 20ga will weigh maybe 6lbs. doesn't get much lighter than that!

Remmington 870 12 ga w/ 19" bbl - exactly 6.5 lbs

Never done that before either

[red-beard]

Here is an excellent example of an article knocking shotguns, that is wholly inaccurate. But the article has quite a few good points: People like shotguns because they were very popular for a very long time as the "one gun to have".

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/21/home-defense-ar-vs-shotgun/

The article also has a VERY bad suggestion with shotguns: using bird shot.

My primary reason for NOT using a shotgun is the recoil. Beyond that, the myths are just that: "Can't Miss", the "click-clack" will make a robber run away, they don't penetrate walls, etc.

When the SHTF around here in August/September, the AR was with me. We had looters in our neighborhood and in our business park. If you "THINK" you need a gun, bring a rifle and friends with rifles.

[scottmandue]

Note top self, get some 00 for the 870.

Yes the shotgun is too big for indoor use, but I feel it will be handy to defend my property outdoors.

Indoors I have the 9.

[berettafan]

What is the negative regarding bird shot?

I understand a 7 1/2 sized pellet won't penetrate at distance but what about inside 20'?

[lane l]

How about a judge? I've never used one but properly loaded 410 would do some damage without penetrating to many walls

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by berettafan

What is the negative regarding bird shot?

I understand a 7 1/2 sized pellet won't penetrate at distance but what about inside 20'?

Before I gave my uncle a box of Fiocchi 00...he had been using #4 shot...I tried one in the 870 19".... pretty decent spread imo. I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end, but if my life is on the line....I want the ammo designed for that situation....jmo. Would those small pellets penetrate bulky clothes/leather and drop a amped up meth head in his tracks....I dunno? Ain't worth finding out either imo...

[Tobra]

If'n I was going to get a scattergun for the wife, it would be a 20, not a 12. She is a heck of a shot with pretty much everything, so the question was a bit academic. I think overall a rifle is easier to handle. My buddy has a Marlin .22 rifle that he has his wife and daughter trained up to use. Will not stop them, but it is likely to make them want to go someplace else.

[GH85Carrera]

I am far from an expert on the reaction of burglars.

I would guess and bet money that 99% of the average burglar will beat a hasty retreat the second they realize a homeowner is awake and armed. My revolver will not make any noise until I pull the trigger. Again 99% of the bad guys will be arseholes and elbows and be gone in seconds.

In the movies and TV the bad guys keep coming. If they think you have drugs or lots of cash or gold or something easy to steal they might. Those are often home invasions.

I don't do drugs, and I don't know any drug dealers at all. I don't have gambling or have large sums of cash around. Odds are low that anyone would see my house as a home invasion target.

We all want to be prepared for the worst, and hope we never have to use that protection.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If'n I was going to get a scattergun for the wife, it would be a 20, not a 12. She is a heck of a shot with pretty much everything, so the question was a bit academic. I think overall a rifle is easier to handle. My buddy has a Marlin .22 rifle that he has his wife and daughter trained up to use. Will not stop them, but it is likely to make them want to go someplace else.

I shot my first 12 ga at 9 yrs old...yer wife is a giant compared to me back then .

...nuthin' wrong with a 20 though...

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If'n I was going to get a scattergun for the wife, it would be a 20, not a 12.

I can't imagine my wife wielding my 870, nor being able to rack my 9 in an emergency... thus why I'm shopping for a revolver.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Which do you think would be easier for a 110# woman to wield, 12 gauge shotgun or a Mini 14?

Can't speak for the wimmens, but I have both.
Or i would have both, if i were one of them gun owning fanatics. Yeah, that's the ticket. i have too much respect for the gubmint so I don't own guns, never did.
No sir, no need for them black helicopters. You can stand down.

[sammyg2]