Dumb beotch at the track

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by vash

i dont think he is arguing he handled that corner correctly..no.

he obviously ran off the track..(who hasnt?)..he is debating the thought behind putting bags in the run-out area.

Then he should have attended the drivers meeting and raised that objection, or come in after the first nine laps where he would have noticed the sandbags. In reading the comments on that article, I'm almost starting to think he planned this whole thing as a way to get the payout he needs to keep his business running.

[sand_man]

I don't ride.

In watching that video, I don't understand why he decided to stand it up and go off-roading, in the first place?! He for sure fckued the entire thing up, but seems like he could have ridden through it, staying on the pavement. Maybe pushed out to to the rumble strip, then back on the pavement? Afraid to stay committed?

As for the lawsuit, yeah, what a tool! Sad little man...

[vash]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I'm almost starting to think he planned this whole thing as a way to get the payout he needs to keep his business running.

i'm not debating this. i agree he screwed up. in a jury, i would vote against him. i'm just pointing out to those hammering on his line, apex, lean, etc..that is not what is going to court. that's all.

i did exactly one track day on a bike. it was exhilarating, but i was not mentally skilled enough..i did it, done.

and your line above..is ridiculous. you got that from a REVZILLA article?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by vash

and your line above..is ridiculous. you got that from a REVZILLA article?

Not from the article, but some of the readers comments appeared that they were familiar with plaintiff's business and that he needs cash badly.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by vash

and your line above..is ridiculous. you got that from a REVZILLA article?

No, He said: " In reading the comments on that article I'm almost starting to think he planned this whole thing as a way to get the payout he needs to keep his business running."

He based his statement on the comments, not the article and he qualified it with "almost".

IOW he suggested that he may have suspicions. I don't see that as ridiculous at all.
I don't think anyone can honestly believe that the DB plaintiff in question was NOT motivated by $$$$$$$$$$.
Question is, was it before or just after?

[vash]

still REVZILLA article. i buy motorcycle gear there.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by sand_man

I don't ride.

In watching that video, I don't understand why he decided to stand it up and go off-roading, in the first place?! He for sure fckued the entire thing up, but seems like he could have ridden through it, staying on the pavement. Maybe pushed out to to the rumble strip, then back on the pavement? Afraid to stay committed?

He could have done any number of things to get out of this. Bottom line, he didn't stay focused on where he wanted to go, he focused on what was scaring him. You go where you look, so you look where you want to go. He didn't do that.

An entitled Wannabe, on a bike that is too heavy and too powerful for his level of riding ability and experience. His ego wrote a check that he couldn't cash.

[ted]

Laguna Seca is on hill and in the rainy season has expected erosion issues.
The loose decomposed gravel and sand gets washed over the track and is swept before track days.

Hundreds of sand bags surrounding the track help reduce the erosion, so in the winter sand bags are located all around the track, its a good thing.
It helps avoid deeper ruts on run offs.

For big events they will grade the track perfectly but perhaps not after every winter rain or before every scheduled track day.

At a small track day event there was sand on some apexes where as on the big Reunion weekend in the middle of summer all of the erosion is graded nice and level.

Laguna Seca can run events in the rain as they have addressed the surface water run off with sand bags to keep the track clean.

Lesson only go to Laguna Seca in the summer if you want less sand bags.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by javadog

He ****ed up the entire corner, from when he got off the brakes.

He ****ed up the off-track portion, in that he target fixed on the bags and then didn't know how to get over them easily, as anybody with dirtbike experience would have done.

He doesn't have enough talent to ride the motorcycle he's on, he makes poor judgments in his entire approach to the sport and it bothers me that his lack of personal responsibility might ruin the sport for everyone in the country.

Yup...complete toolbox.

And speaking of poor judgement and personal responsibility, I wonder if his asshattery on public roads would be useful to the defense:

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by ted

Laguna Seca is on hill and in the rainy season has expected erosion issues.
The loose decomposed gravel and sand gets washed over the track and is swept before track days.

Hundreds of sand bags surrounding the track help reduce the erosion, so in the winter sand bags are located all around the track, its a good thing.
It helps avoid deeper ruts on run offs.

For big events they will grade the track perfectly but perhaps not after every winter rain or before every scheduled track day.

At a small track day event there was sand on some apexes where as on the big Reunion weekend in the middle of summer all of the erosion is graded nice and level.

Laguna Seca can run events in the rain as they have addressed the surface water run off with sand bags to keep the track clean.

Lesson only go to Laguna Seca in the summer if you want less sand bags.

Maybe if he had been there before, he would have been more familiar with the above.

Oh wait, he has, multiple times:

https://www.youtube.com/user/LitMotors/videos

[john70t]

Originally Posted by ted

Laguna Seca can run events in the rain as they have addressed the surface water run off with sand bags to keep the track clean.

It's not like these are new issues.

Spectator egress signage is still poor and visitor viewing at all the good spots is limited.
I wasn't too impressed the few times I was there.
The driving side may be different.

[Jeff Higgins]

Here is his company:

Home | Lit Motors

[sand_man]

In the end, I hope he has to replace the sandbag he damaged...

[ted]

Originally Posted by sand_man

In the end, I hope he has to replace the sandbag he damaged...

you damage the wall you may have to pay to fix it.
Of all corners T5 has one of the widest, best camber track outs.

[ted]

Originally Posted by john70t

The driving side may be different.

Visor cam Video of Laguna Seca with a 911.
https://youtu.be/PTaJ62xW8Jk

[sand_man]

Originally Posted by ted

you damage the wall you may have to pay to fix it.
Of all corners T5 has one of the widest, best camber track outs.

I just don't get what was keeping him from riding that out...on track!

EDIT: Did he really want to take that Duc off track?

[sugarwood]

Would it be negligent to scatter cinder blocks along the run off area of a track?

[motion]

I've watched people on my rental 250 Ninjas ride straight off the track, not even attempting to slow down for a corner. People make mistakes.

In this guy's situation, he came into the corner with a narrow entry, which is mistake #1. That sets him up for a challenging exit, assuming he is at any decent speed.

Then, he misses the apex by a good 8', thereby narrowing the width of the track on exit.

His body position and bike control look good after the apex, but I think he gets spooked and either applies brakes, which push the bike wide, or he is mentally already searching the runoff for a way to save himself. Yes, for sure, anyone with any experience would have just finished the corner.

He probably had the front brake locked in the dirt, which expedited his endo, once he hit the sand bags.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by sand_man

In the end, I hope he has to replace the sandbag he damaged...

I hope he loses the lawsuit and has to pay the legal fees of everybody he sued. Further, I hope that every entity that runs track days blacklists the guy for life.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by javadog

I hope he loses the lawsuit and has to pay the legal fees of everybody he sued. Further, I hope that every entity that runs track days blacklists the guy for life.

Most definitely. No more riding for him. No chance of him having to pay opponents' legal fees, though. Not how it works, unfortunately.