Two classy dudes

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by cairns

I'm not assuming anything but I highly doubt race had anything to with it. That Starbucks gets some very high ratings and is noted for its friendly staff. And those guys, clearly, refused to leave when asked. That's trespassing pure and simple. They could have saved everyone a lot of trouble by (as noted) ordering some damn coffee. But they pulled the race card instead. I don't buy that as they were in the wrong. When you don't buy something and the proprietor asks you to leave you leave- no matter what color you are. That's what well mannered people do.

Excusing this behavior doesn't help black people. It hurts them.

From the white woman who recorded the video.

The police were called because these men hadn’t ordered anything. They were waiting for a friend to show up, who did as they were taken out in handcuffs for doing nothing. All the other white ppl are wondering why it’s never happened to us WHEN WE DO THE SAME THING.

Guess you had to be there, like she was.

When one feels that they are being treated differently and they have a suspicion of why then yeah, maybe I'd not leave either. Because if I do get arrested maybe, just maybe, it exposes the issue.

If you want to turn a blind eye to how some people are treated differently from others in the same situation because of a physical trait that they can't possibly change and you want to pretend that it's somehow their fault then have at it.

This issue is about whether they were asked to leave because of who they were, not because they did not buy something or because they had to pee, or because their friend was late.

They obviously felt they were being treated differently and had the balls to take it the whole nine yards.

I respect that.

I am kind of curious how think their actions hurt blacks? Calling attention to an issue that most minorities deal with regularly.

Hurting black people? As if the problem goes away as long as everyone stays quiet and pretends it does not happen. How the **** does that help anyone?

I guess it hurts them in your eyes because it challenges your perception of the issue. God forbid you may have to honestly face the reality that this is what life is like on a daily basis for minorities.

Much easier to bury your head in the sand and blame them for being treated unfairly because they are.....

To reiterate, because it seems lost of many here, were they asked to leave because of who they were, or what they were or were not doing?

[Rick Lee]

I still don't think it's been clarified as to whether the men were asked to leave before the police were called. If they were and refused, that's why the police were called and why they were arrested. I'd find it hard to believe the police would come if a store manager just called and asked them to come. They'd probably have to claim some kind of disturbance or crime. The police dispatcher would have asked them something like, "Did you ask them to leave? Are they refusing or causing a problem?" They don't just send police there for the asking. If the police then repeated the request to leave they got all, "Why, what did we do," then that's still trespassing.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I still don't think it's been clarified as to whether the men were asked to leave before the police were called. If they were and refused, that's why the police were called and why they were arrested. I'd find it hard to believe the police would come if a store manager just called and asked them to come. They'd probably have to claim some kind of disturbance or crime. The police dispatcher would have asked them something like, "Did you ask them to leave? Are they refusing or causing a problem?" They don't just send police there for the asking. If the police then repeated the request to leave they got all, "Why, what did we do," then that's still trespassing.

No, the Police were called after they were asked and refused to leave.

No one including them is disputing that.

The question is, WHY were they asked to leave.

According to witnesses they were just sitting there waiting, not causing a disturbance and doing the same thing that other people were doing, using the facility without having purchased anything yet.

[island911]

Originally Posted by mreid

Wow, what a bunch of cynical, negative and blatantly wrong comments.

First, Starbucks encourages people to come in and hang out. It is company policy.

Second, go into any Starbucks and look around. There are always people on their computers with no drinks on the table and I’ve seen people walk into many Starbucks and sit down without ordering and without being hassled.

Third, if you don’t know where Rittenhouse Square is or more importantly what it is, then your comments are off base. It is one of the gems of Philadelphia (frankly, it’s Philly so consider that point). Some of the most exclusive and high priced homes in Philly are in this area.

These two were treated this way simply for being two black men in the wrong neighborhood. If you don’t get that, you need to get out of your white neighborhood and wake up to the double standard and profiling of minorities that still exists in our country.

Two classy dudes.

You're wrong.

A Starbucks employee called the cops on a white customer because --when asked for his name for the cup call-- he said Trump.

Another Starbucks employee called the cops on a couple young white women customers because they were laughing so hard at an elephant noise one of them made.

So back the virtue signaling truck up and consider that employees at Starbucks are not always willing to take sheet from people in their workplace. Especially non-customers who give lip by calling the employees racists.

[look 171]

Would it have made a difference if the manager of the Starbucks was black and made the same call?

[island911]

exactly.

[island911]

Pregnant white women - no bathroom for you!

https://youtu.be/smnGH4yf9kU?t=40s

Old White woman camped out at a Starbucks, asked to leave, refuses, cops called, woman booted.

https://youtu.be/nSDc4CPEvE0

Two young White women (paying customers) kicked out of a Sbux for goofing off making "elephant noises"



That was a year ago and they just moved on.

And then there was the time, 2016, when Sbux called the cops on a guy because he said his name was TRUMP. (you know, for the cup name)

Here's a Bernie supporter talking about the the vid incident.

https://youtu.be/o8V26WuzoQA?t=51s

But Starbucks employees only calls the cops on Blacks.

[Reiver]

It was reported that manager asked anyone that came in to use the B room...did not purchase anything...to leave.
Is this a large or small SBucks....is it in a part of town where folks live on the street and use storefronts for bathroom facilities.

Looks like social justice warrior BS to me.

[mreid]

There’s a restaurant called Rouge on Rittenhouse Square near this Starbucks. Last year my white wife and I were meeting friends (another couple) for lunch. No reservation, we walked in and sat at a table. When the waitress asked us what we wanted, we said nothing we were meeting another couple. That is the end of that story. How many of you have sat in a restaurant and ordered nothing as you were waiting for a friend or two and had the same experience? This is not the experience of everyone.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by mreid

There’s a restaurant called Rouge on Rittenhouse Square near this Starbucks. Last year my white wife and I were meeting friends (another couple) for lunch. No reservation, we walked in and sat at a table. When the waitress asked us what we wanted, we said nothing we were meeting another couple. That is the end of that story. How many of you have sat in a restaurant and ordered nothing as you were waiting for a friend or two and had the same experience? This is not the experience of everyone.

but you intended to have your lunch there? Or no?

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by mreid

There’s a restaurant called Rouge on Rittenhouse Square near this Starbucks. Last year my white wife and I were meeting friends (another couple) for lunch. No reservation, we walked in and sat at a table. When the waitress asked us what we wanted, we said nothing we were meeting another couple. That is the end of that story. How many of you have sat in a restaurant and ordered nothing as you were waiting for a friend or two and had the same experience? This is not the experience of everyone.

Why couldn't these apparently well educated, articulate, well-spoken, gainfully employed men talk their way out of a paper bag when approached by a lowly Starbucks manager? The same way you explained yourself to the hostess at the restaurant?

Is it rampant unapologetic racism, or is it something else?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by island911

But Starbucks employees only calls the cops on Blacks.

Who said that?

No one, that's who.

Of course there are a variety of reasons the cops may be called on customers.

Some valid reasons, some not.

It's the some not, and specifically why, we are discussing here.

Is there a pattern to this specific Starbucks, that's the question, because if they are selectively enforcing a (self imposed) policy then that's a problem.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by look 171

Would it have made a difference if the manager of the Starbucks was black and made the same call?

Actually no.

This might come as a surprise to some of ya'll but there are actually blacks who don't like blacks.

Same as whites who don't like white people, or latinos who don't like latinos, gays who don't like gays...

The race, religion, sexual orientation, ..... of the antagonist is irelevant.

It's the specific attribute of the recipient that prompts someone to treat them in an unequal manner for no other reason than that specific attribute that determines whether or not discrimination has occurred.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gogar

Why couldn't these apparently well educated, articulate, well-spoken, gainfully employed men talk their way out of a paper bag when approached by a lowly Starbucks manager? The same way you explained yourself to the hostess at the restaurant?

Is it rampant unapologetic racism, or is it something else?

Uhm, they did.

They said nothing, they were waiting for a friend.

The difference appears to be in how the recipient of that information, the manager, consciously and willingly, decided to deal with it.

[island911]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

but you intended to have your lunch there? Or no?

What maters more is how busy the place is.

Everyone should consider what it must be like to be a Starbucks drone. And there are so many of them. All kinds of people have been booted (see my earlier post) and when., after decades of business, a couple loiterers, who happen to be Black get booted everyone starts tripping over each other to cry racism.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by island911

What maters more is how busy the place is.

I take it you have not bothered to watch the video, cause damn if that place did not look packed to the gills.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I take it you have not bothered to watch the video, cause damn if that place did not look packed to the gills.

Mreid has a video from Rouge on Rittenhouse Square?

[island911]

For the record I feel a bit dirty defending that syrupy PC liberal over-priced coffee house from the PC monster that they encourage.

OTOH I can't stand the racism battle cry when ever an incident like this happen.

It's divisive and unnecessary. --I don't care how virtuous it makes you feel to see racism everywhere.

[cairns]

The question is, WHY were they asked to leave.

According to witnesses they were just sitting there waiting, not causing a disturbance and doing the same thing that other people were doing, using the facility without having purchased anything yet.

You don't know the answer to that and keep implying it's racism. And all you have to support that implication is anecdotal arguments that aren't cutting any mustard.....

Give it up. You're not convincing anyone who believes differently. All you're sowing is division and hate. And what you ignorantly fail to understand is that when you're asked to leave a place of business when you're not a customer you leave. Period. You're not a customer and you have no special "rights" due to your skin color, sex, weight or anything else. Why doesn't matter. You're a nuisance and you're trespassing.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by mreid

... Two classy dudes.

Classy dudes would not demand/accept a payoff...or refuse to leave a business when the proprietor requested they do so. This puts every business on notice that black customers (or employees) may well be there to cause trouble...so they can extort the owners later.