newbe welding question-trapped moisture? - Page 2

962porsche · 03-02-2011, 02:49 PM

in a nut shell thats just how it works . now the factory does not solid weld things like the a-arm pick up points because of the cost . but if you want to add more straight to the car you would put a continuous / solid weld around the mount . now would it weaken the metal around it . maybe and only maybe if you have no idea of what your doing when it comes to welding . on other posts he has claimed to know things that lead me to think other wize . 1st would be about celette frame benches . the fact that cars CO's like porsche , lambo , ferrari and m benz want there cars repaired on a frame jig is not because of it being old school and out dated . but the simple fact that the suspension pick up points are the strongest parts of the car . and a tube frame car like a lamborghini countach that we have in the frame rack now can only be pulled with its suspension out of the car . cars are built at the factory with jigs if there was a better way car CO's would build them an other way . he stated many times about polyester filler . the sad thing is todays fillers are all polyester resin based . i would think a man with 30 years in the biz would know that . the two main products in body fillers are talk (mineral) and polyester resin . what makes some fillers sand easier than others is the amount of talk in the filler . there is a fine line when it comes to fillers between making it ez to sand and having not want to srink in . the easier it will sand the more it could srink in . this is becuase the less resin there is in the product to lock the product together . the other option is using a acrylic based filler . as far as i know they don't even make it any longer ! i for one have not used it in 20 plus years . but BM500 must have been because he thinks polyester is some thing new . on an other post he stated its not a good idea to replace a qtr because it could never be as good as the original one . this is also not true at all they can be replaced and as good or even better . i have stated this in the past . because some people think they can't do the job as good them on one can . the thing is that there are many good body people out there that can . they have the right equipment and the knowladge to do so . here again the person is missleading other people in thinking his way would and could be the only right way to do it . and that is wrong !!! the hole point to forums is to try and help people and get some thing out of it for your self too. he stated he is a factory trained tach . if he is he should open up the training book he got from porsche turn it to page 351 and see just how porsche wants there QTR's replaced . then there is the comment about the lead on the qtrs . that was the biggest red flag for me to think this guy never really worked on a porsche . you will find some brass but not lead ! then on this post when a body person should know to use a weld primer he said nothing about using it and stated the 4 little welds are ok . thats when it hit its high point . its one thing to give bad addvice but its an other to put peoples life at risk . that kind of bad addvice can get people injured or killed ! my point to all this is take what he states with a grain of salt . from what i see most of you people know more then him . i will have to say i'm truly sorry to all the other people having to read about the debate between him and I .

bluemane500 · bluemane500's Garage

take a couple of sugar cubes and go write your book,the purpose of the forum is to share ideas, you just type blah,blah blah,you answer questions that were never asked,you are a legend in your own mind,referring to fillers as mud,get a life dude,go back to school and learn how to spell. you don't know how to be wrong,everybody is wrong but you,please do yourself a favor and stay quiet,all this nonsense is because i corrected you on a post you answered on diminished value,you talk nonsense,,, im done with you end of story

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YouTube - Talking Horse

DaddyGlenn · DaddyGlenn's Garage

Do a search on roll bars or cages and look at what others are doing. FWIW, 962porshce may be a bit rough in style but his opinions seem to be respected here. Just my opinion...

bluemane500 · bluemane500's Garage

if you followed the post, the gentleman posted the manufactures recomendation,im sure it was okayed by the AWS but everyone is entitled to the opinion, i dont think they would put themselves at risk of lawsuit,, any how i give up here,this thing is so blown out of proportion,,im bored with it, i have better things to do,

drcoastline · 03-02-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bluemane500

on that note, how much pressure is put on a stabiizer bar ? and how is a stabilizer mtg bracket installed in a 911,surprisingly enough they are spot welded not solid welded around the mount, you can take your information from the horses mouth or his opposite end

Ok so here is what I conclude.

Porsche962

BM500

A horse is a horse of course of course and no one can talk to ahorse of course... Blah, Blah, Blah.

962porsche · 03-03-2011, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bluemane500

bill tack the plates,dnt worry about moisture only grind where your tacking ,one tack on each side in midlle will suffice

by doing this you will or could get people injured or killed . if you hook your safety belts to the roll bar and get into a crash you will brake the feet right off its mounts . as for don't worry about moisture ? any bare metal will start to rust . over time it will start to rust out the panel under the feet of the roll bar . you should use some weld primer to combat that !

962porsche · 03:57 AM

i know i can't write worth a dam . i'm not an editor my step dad is ! but maybe B.S.500 should read his own write ups ? and whats with the write a sentences and post it write a sentence and post it . people with glass houses should not throw stones when it comes to the way they write replys to posts ! after all is it spelled dnt or os it spelled don't ? and is it middle or midlle ? and your right i do want to go back to school . i want to get you chemical engineering degree . maybe you should go back and finish grade school !

drcoastline · 03-03-2011, 05:03 AM

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i know i can't write worth a dam . i'm not an editor my step dad is ! but maybe B.S.500 should read his own write ups ? and whats with the write a sentences and post it write a sentence and post it . people with glass houses should not throw stones when it comes to the way they write replys to posts ! after all is it spelled dnt or os it spelled don't ? and is it middle or midlle ? and your right i do want to go back to school . i want to get you chemical engineering degree . maybe you should go back and finish grade school !

962 don't sweat it or is it sweet it? Eh who cares. Everyone knows what you are trying to say. Your messgae gets through loud and clear even with a few spelling or punctuation errors. He's knit picking your spelling becuase he can not back up his claims.

Ding, ding, ding. The winner is and still champion

962porsche · 03-03-2011, 03:19 PM

LOL ! thanks for your support ! i have this thing called dyslexia . dyslexia has to do with what you see . your eyes will see some thing like the letter E the right way most of the time i see the letter E with it facing the other way . it has nothing to do with intelligence ! this will piss off you know who ! but most people with it have a higher than average IQ . albert einstein had it ! i worked dam hard to get engineering degrees in chassis design and aerodynamics . and because of it . it made me want to learn and acquire all the knowledge i can and then some . with some people that have it they say i can't learn that with me it just pushed me harder to learn more . i never claim to know some thing i don't ! if i don't know some thing then i want to learn about it so i do know . if that make me a know it all or as i was called a legend in my own mind then i am truly sorry i don't want to come across that way . i do know i can come across at times very brash or as a matter a fact . its just my way of putting my point across . on a lighter note my 962 is black and silver . it was going to be all white the german racing color but after i painter it all the guys in the shop told me it looked like it was just gelcoat . so then i painted it silver then they broke my balls about it all silver so then i painted the bottom of it black and now they brake my balls saying i should put a big number 3 on the side . i think there right ??? i told them this time you guys are going to pick the color . i was thinking oslo blue # Z77 ? they shot that right down . i don't want red or yellow ! i also don't want to copy some thing like the lowenbrau car . it must be a porsche color too . so what color ???????

DaddyGlenn · DaddyGlenn's Garage

Mexico Blue?

Fishcop · Fishcop's Garage

My best mate suffered undiagnosed dyslexia until he was 32. We new he was really smart, but he just couldn't write (god I used to make fun of him!), and so he never got a decent job. His sister went on to become a medical professional and one night she brought a friend home who needed a bed for the night.

The friend was a dyslexia expert and over some beers with my mate who was also staying, she worked out he had a rare form of dyslexia and was able to eventually treat it. He has since gone on to finish an engineering degree and holds down a big paying job in off-shore oil. He's now the smartest guy I know.

As DaddyGlenn has said, don't worry about the spelling - we're fine!

bluemane500, it's totally cool to disagree. As my old Pop says, "Opinions are common as @rseholes - everybody's got one.". The guys here can read it all and take from it what they need.

There was a fight on these forums a few years back between two guys who clearly knew how to build a 911 "right". I'd have had either of them build me an engine in an instant! But their techniques varied and they disagreed on some fundamentals... In the end one of them left the board over the bickering never to return and I think the board is a poorer for it. I don't want to see that happen again.

bluemane500 · bluemane500's Garage

okay 962, i will apologize for the go back to school, sorry to hear of your handicap, i happen to have a bad keyboard, my opinion is no different than the manufacturer of the harness bar, yours is overkill, IMO, you look at mike halls car and want to replace quarters, i lean towards repair,all 911s ive restored have lead on rockers, i cant say ive done a C2 so i will take your word for it,FYI ive spent 10 plus yrs a nhis in a 911, and have done much work for pca club members,i am a collision shop registered and licensed with the state,i always have a Pcar project going,I only do work for all the money,I have worked on a Celette at a benz dealer fo two yeas and did not like it at all, continental is my machine of choice,and again FYI most dealers around me dont even have there own body shops, everything is subbed out, most shops of choice use continentals, i know a dedicated bench is in its own way better,but its a pain in the @ss waiting for jigs and paying rentals,i have no problem, i thought the horse video was a riot but the doctor got me back haha i can take it, but i got one for you now doc , peace YouTube - Gay Doctor

drcoastline · 03-03-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bluemane500

okay 962, i will apologize for the go back to school, sorry to hear of your handicap, i happen to have a bad keyboard, my opinion is no different than the manufacturer of the harness bar, yours is overkill, IMO, you look at mike halls car and want to replace quarters, i lean towards repair,all 911s ive restored have lead on rockers, i cant say ive done a C2 so i will take your word for it,FYI ive spent 10 plus yrs a nhis in a 911, and have done much work for pca club members,i am a collision shop registered and licensed with the state,i always have a Pcar project going,I only do work for all the money,I have worked on a Celette at a benz dealer fo two yeas and did not like it at all, continental is my machine of choice,and again FYI most dealers around me dont even have there own body shops, everything is subbed out, most shops of choice use continentals, i know a dedicated bench is in its own way better,but its a pain in the @ss waiting for jigs and paying rentals,i have no problem, i thought the horse video was a riot but the doctor got me back haha i can take it, but i got one for you now doc , peace YouTube - Gay Doctor

Hey I remember you... you're that guy who set up the fake clinic on the corner. I was the second guy in the video. Didn't you get arrested or something for doing that? I apologize for posting a picture of your posterior. Cheers

Oh and FYI I hit spell check and you have lots of miss spelled words.

962- Post a pic of your car lets see what she looks like so we can take a stab at colors. I posted the Lowenbrau car because I thought that was the car in your avatar.

962porsche · 03-04-2011, 04:05 AM

most guys in my shop as i do use allot of sem products spray and brushable weld primers . in a case like your i would brush a thin coat on the floor were the feet of the roll bar goes and sence the can is open i would brush a coat on the under side of the feet also . i don't really think one is any better than the other . with spray you will have to mask off but you can lay down a more consistent mill thickness . were as brush on you can control the area to just were you want it but it can't be layed down in a consistent mill thickness . when it comes to zinc based primers like weld primers more is not better . on the can it will tell you just how much to spray or brush on . frame benches . i do have a chief drive on bench with a genesis measurement system . we do use it but not all that much . drive in benches have there down falls as do benches like celettes there are times when we have to pull all the suspension out of a car just to do a on hour pull . then there are other times when we have put a car on the drive in and come to find out we have to take it back off because it needs a harder pull like the ferrari 328 last week . 962 colors i was thinking of mexico blue too . 3 of the guys in the shop tell me it looks like a girls car then . i like blue colors !

drcoastline · 06:05 AM

962- I am a big blue fan myself. As you know from our conversation. Here are a few blue combo's I like.

This is the color I was describing to you the other night.

Then 918 spyder color combo has recently found a spot in my likes folder. I can see a 962 Maybe in Silver, Blue and Orange? Using the Lowenbrau paint design I can see the white substituted for Silver. The blue would remain blue and the gold stripe could be orange.

drcoastline · 03-04-2011, 07:13 AM

Bill K where what part of the jersey shore are you from?

962porsche · 03-04-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bkreigsr

does SEM make an aerosol?

they do it would be sem # 39783 . i'm sure you know this but when you weld two deferent thicknesses of metal like the roll bar feet to the sheet metal on the floor . do 2/3 of the weld on the feet and 1/3 on the sheet metal . this will help stop any burn throws of the sheet metal . from the weld it looks like your using a 110 welder ? if so you may be at the max thickness of what the welder can handle so penetration of the weld to the feet is going to be very important . so move the weld in a C shape starting on the foot of the roll bar . you know this post was nijacked for every other topic other than what you wanted to know . i like the 918's colors i was thinking that but with a more yellow/orange color . i got a porsche panamera in the shop today . my 1st time looking at it up close and driving it . i don't like the way they look ! it is fast but it feals heavy . i don't think i would ever buy one ! the thing i really don't get is he traded in a very nice 930 for it . the 930 just fit in his garage so he gets this car home and hits the down button on the garage door clicker and guess what the door comes down right on the bumper . i don't know which was worse the guy 2 weeks ago with his cayenne turbo that had his bike on the foor rack and pulled into his garage or this guy ?

drcoastline · 03-04-2011, 03:05 PM

Sorry Bill I didnt mean to hijack your thread.

962porsche · 03-07-2011, 04:01 AM

are you thinking of just welding nuts to the inside floor of the car ?