 
					|   | 
 | 
 | 
| 
 | 
| Registered | 
				
				Do I need longer wheel studs?
			 
			1970 911t, no spacers, just got 15x6 ATS classic wheels (from PP classifieds), aftermarket cone seat lug nuts. Rear wheels studs look nearly flush but fronts (image) are sunken in. Mostly street car with plans to autocross. Do I need longer wheel studs?  Thanks.   
				__________________ 1970 911T/S coupe Irish green 2013 991 coupe aqua blue sold 1978 911SC Targa Venetian blue/cork sold   | ||
|  09-15-2018, 12:29 PM | 
 | 
| Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 
					Posts: 221
				 | 
			Need may not be the right term. I have about as much grab on the studs as your photo and I AX/track the car with no ill effects.  Want may be what you are asking, but be prepared to spend time and effort into swapping studs. Cheers, Ryan | ||
|  09-15-2018, 01:41 PM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Pedro 
					Posts: 585
				 | 
			Yes.
		 
				__________________ 1979 911SC 3.2 SS Custom Backdate Hot Rod 1972 911T, 2.7RS Spec Beck 904 Carrera GTS /3.6 2023. Macan Previously owned several 911 models since 1975. | ||
|  09-15-2018, 01:50 PM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Jan 2007 
					Posts: 11,758
				 | 
			General rule of thumb is total thread engagement is equal to the diameter of the stud. In any case, you could only get about one more turn before you got complete engagement of the threads. I doubt that getting longer studs would actually increase strength by any meaningful amount. Torque them on, and do not over or under torque them. FWIW, there are people who will tell you that it is OK to run them if you get 8 full turns. I am not one of those people. Last edited by DanielDudley; 09-15-2018 at 02:16 PM.. | ||
|  09-15-2018, 02:11 PM | 
 | 
| Better in Person | 
			id say no.  you obviously are at the edge there, but for street and AX usage that will suffice.  if you were to track the car generating significant heat in the brakes I might be more concerned.  you are likely if AX'ing checking the torque more than the average customer anyhow so that's good.   do you run spacers or are those wheels unusually thick? 
				__________________ 78SC PRC Spec911 (sold 12/15) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7I6HCCKrVQ Now gone: 03 996TT/75 slicklid 3.oL carb'd hotrod 15 Rubicon JK/07.5 LMM Duramax 4x/86 Ski Nautique Correct Craft | ||
|  09-15-2018, 03:21 PM | 
 | 
| Registered | 
			Thank you for all the great responses. No spacers. I guess wheels are just unusually thick.
		 
				__________________ 1970 911T/S coupe Irish green 2013 991 coupe aqua blue sold 1978 911SC Targa Venetian blue/cork sold   | ||
|  09-15-2018, 06:02 PM | 
 | 
|   | 
| Registered Join Date: May 2003 
					Posts: 3,346
				 | 
			Those would meet the thread requirements for PCA club racing. I ran that way for many years club racing. They are fine.
		 
				__________________ 72 Carrera RS replica, Spec 911 racer | ||
|  09-15-2018, 06:52 PM | 
 | 
| Registered | 
			Phew. Because I didn't want to change them unless I had to.
		 
				__________________ 1970 911T/S coupe Irish green 2013 991 coupe aqua blue sold 1978 911SC Targa Venetian blue/cork sold   | ||
|  09-16-2018, 03:12 AM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Jan 2007 
					Posts: 2,370
				 | 
			If you are really concerned there is a shanked lug nut made that goes deeper inside the wheel with more threads but sometimes the wheel lug hole has to be drilled out a little for the larger OD. I have done this in a few cars with good results.
		 | ||
|  09-16-2018, 04:18 AM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gulf Coast FL 
					Posts: 1,486
				 | 
			SAE standards used to be 50% of the diameter of the bolt should extend past the nut. So yes, you 'should' replace. Those look like stylized nuts, so YMMV. I'm sure the tech inspectors at an HPDE would have a fit about your fit.
		 Last edited by eastbay; 09-16-2018 at 07:34 AM.. | ||
|  09-16-2018, 07:31 AM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: So. Calif. 
					Posts: 19,910
				 | Quote: 
 Sherwood | ||
|  09-16-2018, 07:29 PM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego 
					Posts: 4,878
				 | Quote: 
 Wheel nuts or bolts must fully engage the threads on the stud, or hub, for a length at least equal to the outside diameter of the stud or bolt. Steel lug nuts are required for all Racing classes and recommended for all others. So measure the engaged thread length, you may be okay as is. Last edited by Cory M; 09-16-2018 at 08:19 PM.. | ||
|  09-16-2018, 08:16 PM | 
 | 
|   | 
| Registered | 
			No issue there,if you look closely the nuts are recessed inwards towards the actual thread no issue there,properly torqued and clean lubed threads you will be fine.
		 
				__________________ 1985 944 2.7 motor,1989 VW Corrado 16v,57 project plastic speedster t4 power,1992 mk3 Golf,2005 a4 b7 qt avant 3.0 tdi,1987 mk2 Golf GTI,1973 914,2.2t to go in. Past cars, 17 aircooled VW's and lots of BMW's KP 13/3/1959-21/11/2014 RIP my best friend. | ||
|  09-16-2018, 10:20 PM | 
 | 
| Racer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Franklin, TN 
					Posts: 5,887
				 | Quote: 
 
				__________________ Scott Winders PCA GT3 #3 2021 & 2022 PCA GT3 National Champion 2021 & 2022 PCA West Coast Series GT3 Champion | ||
|  09-17-2018, 12:24 AM | 
 | 
| Registered Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: bottom left corner of the world 
					Posts: 22,808
				 | 
			Grind the nuts back so there is no exposed threads. I, personally, would change the studs. Not based on anything scientific, just me. | ||
|  09-17-2018, 12:27 AM | 
 |