Reminder how unsafe the open road can be!

[G50911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Driving too fast for conditions is 100% driver error. The ice had nothing to do with it. I bet hundreds if not thousands of other vehicles crossed that bridge with no problem that day.

Like driving at 75 MPH in heavy rain and saying the rain caused the hydroplaning. Nope, just driving too fast for conditions.

It is a shame he crashed, and I hope he makes a full recovery. The car can be replaced.

that rain analogy isn't the case here. the conditions were clear and the turn just before the bridge was slightly wet due to overnight condensation. we learned from CHP that they're very familiar with this spot. driver is stable and doing ok. i agree it's a shame and cars can be replaced.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by pmax

Are these group drives usually done at a leisurely pace or is there pressure to keep up with the buddies and not fall behind ?

Given the differences between drivers and cars, the latter's not going to work.

I've been told that the drivers at an end of a group end up going faster, although it's never been fully explained nor understood by myself.

I've been at the front, middle and end of a pack and I just go the speed I want to.

Originally Posted by pmax

Looks like there’s a roll bar. I wonder if it played a part in the reported head injuries.

Excellent observation.

I don't think it matters if one hits something head on or is rear ended, a roll bar in a street car is a head banger from what I've read.

Originally Posted by safe

Black ice catches people out, its hard to see, can catch you well below the speed limit. It barley matters what tires your on unless they are studded.

I let the 911's rest this time of year... I don't trust the safety of a 40-50 year old car. The driver of this wreck is lucky that big truck didn't completely big foot it.

True about Black-Ice, and don't forget our cars are fairly short wheelbase and will spin when prompted to do so.

Wrong time of year for summer tires, seen it may times in this forum, I'm just trying to get the word out and not pointing fingers. Not everyone grew up in freeze/thaw conditions like I did.

2008
Requiem for a Targa
Requiem for a Targa

I decide, since it's cold but sunny, to take the Targa back to work....................

......... The combination of cold tires, cold road and my correction got me sideways, then on my side, then two impacts with the dirt hill on the opposite shoulder and then back upright.

I think the below is a real possibility.

Originally Posted by Solamar

I'm also guessing the truck went further up the hood with it's front bumper all the way up to the windshield, then rolled back off the hood.

[faapgar]

My thoughts are for the driver.The best for you on a bad day.Shart happens.Ciao Fred

[ClickClickBoom]

Went out for a drive, towards that road. Was moving up the hill when a 996/GT3 came up from behind, we boogied for awhile, then pulled over at a turnout. We started chatting, turns out he was on a drive with the driver the day it happened. He said they were well ahead and almost at the destination. Even he didn't know what the actual cause was.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Solamar

Just a guess, but I noticed the pile was under the oil tank. Could be absorbent shoveled on leaked oil.

I'm also guessing the truck went further up the hood with it's front bumper all the way up to the windshield, then rolled back off the hood.

Best wishes for a full recovery.

Front bumper of the 1500 has two battering rams, literally, behind it which probably compressed the entire driver side a few feet in.



He's lucky the closing speed wasn't much faster.

Sounds like he'll make a recovery.

[jac1976]

Originally Posted by Flojo

The roll bar is behind the driver. No issue in this case

Being thrown around upon impact, a person’s head can certainly contact the roll bar.

[eastbay]

"There but for the grace of god goes" the gas tank....

[gtc]

Originally Posted by eastbay

"There but for the grace of god goes" the gas tank....

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the old spare tire crash structure myth.

[WP0ZZZ]

Originally Posted by gtc

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the old spare tire crash structure myth.

True. I've heard that myth many times in the past. Is there any authoritative source that dispels that myth?

[pmax]

Not going to matter meeting a 2 tonne object.

[HarryD]

Originally Posted by eastbay

"There but for the grace of god goes" the gas tank....

I found it odd in the picture that there is no fuel on the ground. I would have thought the tank would have at least cracked.

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by WP0ZZZ

True. I've heard that myth many times in the past. Is there any authoritative source that dispels that myth?

I've heard that story that it is a 'planned' part of the crunch zone but...it is on the gas tank making it a part of the 'crunch zone' and that would not be very bright would it.

[stownsen914]

The gas tank and spare tire would have at least partly tucked under the front of this truck given the height difference between the two vehicles. One reason trucks and SUVs scare the crap out of me (my dd is a smaller car).

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by gtc

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the old spare tire crash structure myth.

I'm glad to finally hear someone call it a myth, first time in fact.

Originally Posted by pmax

Not going to matter meeting a 2 tonne object.

Car and Truck in Head-on Collision
Inelastic Collision
https://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/momentum/cthoi.cfm

The animation below portrays the inelastic collision between a 1000-kg car and a 3000-kg truck. The before- and after-collision velocities and momentum are shown in the data tables.

An interesting topic.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by stownsen914

The gas tank and spare tire would have at least partly tucked under the front of this truck given the height difference between the two vehicles. One reason trucks and SUVs scare the crap out of me (my dd is a smaller car).

It's the being rear ended that worries me.

2014
What did you do to your 911 today?

Originally Posted by kach22i

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[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Solamar

Just a guess, but I noticed the pile was under the oil tank. Could be absorbent shoveled on leaked oil.

I'm also guessing the truck went further up the hood with it's front bumper all the way up to the windshield, then rolled back off the hood.

Best wishes for a full recovery.

This was exactly my guess as well