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Proposed Calif SMOG law roll back

Please voice support for SB 1224. See below excerpt from SEMA:


California Introduces Bill to Exempt pre-1981 Vehicles From Emissions Inspection Requirement.

In 2004, legislation was enacted to repeal California’s rolling emissions-test exemption for vehicles 30 years old and older and replace it with a law requiring the lifetime testing of all 1976 and newer model-year vehicles

. This year, a bill has been introduced in the California Senate (S.B. 1224) by Senator Doug LaMalfa (Senator.LaMalfa@senate.ca.gov ) to exempt all motor vehicles prior to the 1981 model year from the emissions inspection requirement. The bill will be considered in the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee on March 27, 2012.

We Urge You to Contact All Members of the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee (Contact Info Below) Immediately To Request Their Support for S.B. 1224
S.B. 1224 recognizes the minimal impact of pre-1981vehicles on emissions and air quality.


S.B. 1224 acknowledges that pre-1981 vehicles still constitute a minuscule portion of the overall vehicle population and are a poor source from which to look for emissions reduction.


S.B. 1224 endorses the fact that pre-1981 vehicles are overwhelmingly well-maintained and infrequently driven (a fraction of the miles each year as a new vehicle).


For years, legislators, regulators and stationary source polluters have felt the heat from failed efforts to meet air quality goals and have looked to older cars as a convenient scapegoat, using false data and inflated annual mileage assumptions to further their case. S.B. 1224 helps validate the truth. The old car hobby should not continue to carry the burden of past mistakes!
DON’T DELAY! Please contact members of the California Senate Transportation and Housing Committee immediately to request their support of S.B. 1224. Please e-mail a copy of your letter to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org. Also, please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them to join the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your assistance.

Senate Transportation and Housing Committee
To e-mail all members of the Committee, copy and paste the email address block below:

senator.desaulnier@sen.ca.gov; senator.gaines@senate.ca.gov; senator.harman@sen.ca.gov; Senator.Kehoe@sen.ca.gov; Senator.Lowenthal@sen.ca.gov; senator.pavley@sen.ca.gov; michael.rubio@sen.ca.gov; senator.simitian@sen.ca.gov; Senator.Wyland@senate.ca.gov

Senator Mark DeSaulnier (Chair)
Phone: (916) 651-4007
Email: senator.desaulnier@sen.ca.gov

Senator Ted Gaines (Vice Chair)
Phone: (916) 651-4001
Email: senator.gaines@senate.ca.gov

Senator Tom Harman
Phone: (916) 651-4035
Email: senator.harman@sen.ca.gov

Senator Christine Kehoe
Phone: (916) 651-4039
Email: Senator.Kehoe@sen.ca.gov

Senator Alan Lowenthal
Phone: (916) 651-4027
Email: Senator.Lowenthal@sen.ca.gov

Senator Fran Pavley
Phone: (916) 651-4023
Email: senator.pavley@sen.ca.gov

Senator Michael Rubio
Phone: (916) 651-4016
Email: michael.rubio@sen.ca.gov

Senator Joe Simitian
Phone: (916) 651-4011
Email: senator.simitian@sen.ca.gov

Senator Mark Wyland
Phone: (916) 651-4038
Email: Senator.Wyland@senate.ca.gov

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Cool, wouldn't it be simpler for them to just make the bill for any car 30 years or older rather than placing a year specific bill, but that would be too simple, huh?

I'll harrase my rep
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Oh this is great!

Already dreaming of tossing my CIS for a nice pair of PMOs!!

I'm all for this SB 1224 and just reposted this on AlfaBB.com
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Maybe I will return to CA with my 79 if I don't have to smog it. It would be so much simpler to make it 30 years and older no smog and randomly test all vehicles coming in from Mexico. They cause more pollution In SoCal than anything else.
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dmenche, you still alive? I see your spelling has gotten better.

BTW, 3rd+ thread on this issue.....also the mod is proposed by a Republican. What chance to pass?
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Alas it won't do any good for my 86 Carrera...
I'd love to see this extended to any 30 year old cars...
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My guess is that there aren't enough of you to pull this off, the crazies are in charge in your state. Good luck anyway. Huba(ex-CA)
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Get an out-of-state or Mexican plate

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Maybe I will return to CA with my 79 if I don't have to smog it. It would be so much simpler to make it 30 years and older no smog and randomly test all vehicles coming in from Mexico. They cause more pollution In SoCal than anything else.
Get an out of state or Mexican plate and no problems with SMOG or high vehicle taxes. Unfortunately, my wife is from South America(not Mexico) and my brother sold his ski condo in Montana. CRAP!!!! This is the same state assembly that Arnold withheld their pay to make them show up and pass the budget before the state shut down. The weather here is nice anyway.

1976 huh, what is next FORD selling a CAT kit for the 2000 or so Model T's & Model A's registered in California? NHRA with CATs on Top Fuel should be interesting too. Common sense & logic went out the window a long time ago on this subject. Raise the tag fees(aka taxes) $20-$50 to penalize the older cars, show that off to the Fed, and worry about keeping jobs in CA.

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"to exempt all motor vehicles prior to the 1981 model year from the emissions inspection requirement"

So, just a minor change from '76 to '81, please. To the Sacramento, like who cares, right?

It'll never pass, especially given who 'runs' the state!

Dream on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Certainly won't happen unless we make our feelings known, you can read in many places where congress people actually read and consider input from constituents, you never know, if they get 5 emails....but what if they get 10k emails?
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AZ handled this by allowing emissions exemptions to cars registered as collectable. In order to register as a collectable, you have to have collector car insurance.

This is logical because most collector car insurance companies won't insure just any old beater, but will most enthusiest maintained and owned vehicles.

Win/win.
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2 questions for the group -

Does someone have a link to a good 'sample letter'?

When is the vote?

I don't live in CA now, but am from there, own property there, and hope to get back there at some point. I bought my 76 targa (that I still have) there, back in 1984....
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"AZ handled this by allowing emissions exemptions"

Right, and this is CA! And who are the governors of the two states?
And what is the majority of the legislators of the two states?

Again, dream on!
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Oh Man! I am praying for this one now......

"Does someone have a link to a good 'sample letter'?"

If someone have one or come accross one, please post.
I am also forwarding this info to all my Car nuts friends.



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"AZ handled this by allowing emissions exemptions"

Right, and this is CA! And who are the governors of the two states?
And what is the majority of the legislators of the two states?

Again, dream on!
Not so fast though! In the two populus areas of AZ that require emmissions testing, all '66 and later vehicles must pass emissions testing. We don't get a pass for '75 MY and older like CA does.

My '71 Jeep pickup doesn't have collectors insurance because it wasn't deemed collectable enough by Hagarty (I didn't persue others). It's really only a paint job away from being "nice" enough to be considered. Anyways, with a big honkin' 360 V8 with a cam, intake, Holley 4 bbl, headers, no cat, etc., I still have to get it to pass a sniffer test. They don't pop the hood on '73 and earlier. It takes a creative tune of timing and carb adjustments, and I can get it to squeek by.

So I don't have to test by '80 911 because it qualifies, but I do have to test my '71. Does that make any sense?


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After replacing both the defective ECU, and the defective Air Flow Meter, on my '74 914/4 1.8, the car runs well, and pretty clean at about 2.5% CO. It's exempt, but I think that I did my part, for cleaner air, by repairing the FI, rather than replacing it with carbs.

My '82 SC runs perfect all the time, and passes our CA bi-annual inspection with ease. Although I dream of putting SSIs on it, I probably wouldn't because of the higher CO setting that I would use, and the increase in HC. I won't mind, too much, if the state moves to a pre-'81 exemption, but if they bring back the 30-year rolling exemption I might be tempted to think about modification a little more (I drive the car about 1,000 miles/year).

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