Who has owned a both a 964 and an early hotrod

[KobaltBlau]

Originally posted by Tyson Schmidt
I just installed PSS9's on my buddy's '94 C2, so yes, they are definitely available for 964's.

Huh, my mistake. they aren't listed in blistein's application guide, but I'm not disputing they are available.

[Tyson Schmidt]

There are also H&R coil-overs that aren't too over-priced as well.

Those JIC units look nice for the price and come with more hardware, like upper strut mounts.

I'd like to hear from a racer that's running them before I'll endorse them though.

[Bill Verburg]

Originally posted by 911-32
Newer cars feel heavy, paradoxically, even when you lighten them IMHO.

You obviuosly haven't driven one that is set up right

[Shuie]

Thanks for the help everyone. I know the cars are obviously very different, but how DIY friendly is the 964? Aside from the engine, is there any reason to go with a '92-'94 instead of and '89-'91 car? Is there a FAQ somewhere about these cars or a guide on what to look out for?

gratuitous 964 hotrod pic

[Bill Verburg]

The only other area where I have heard of issues in 964 /993 is the HVAC system, particularly the control unit.

[JonT]

schuie--yea--thats a hot looking 964 hot rod alright

[Tyson Schmidt]

Originally posted by Shuie
Thanks for the help everyone. I know the cars are obviously very different, but how DIY friendly is the 964? Aside from the engine, is there any reason to go with a '92-'94 instead of and '89-'91 car? Is there a FAQ somewhere about these cars or a guide on what to look out for?

gratuitous 964 hotrod pic

The rear brakes are better. And they come with aero mirrors, and Cup wheels standard. But that's more aesthetic.

[MuffinMan]

Originally posted by Tyson Schmidt
There are also H&R coil-overs that aren't too over-priced as well.

Those JIC units look nice for the price and come with more hardware, like upper strut mounts.

I'd like to hear from a racer that's running them before I'll endorse them though.

A friend of mine has the JIC setup on his '94 3.6 turbo. He's been DE'ing and club racing the setup for just over a year now, and seems happy with it. He did use stiffer springs than what the "package" comes with, though. I can't find our super-long, relatively informative thread discussing the JICs, but here's the initial chatter

[911-32]

Originally posted by Bill Verburg
You obviuosly haven't driven one that is set up right

Maybe not. Do 964 C4 with H&R springs, euro 964 RS and euro 993RS count?

It was just my opinion. Fact is, its tougher to get the weight out of a 964 or later car - that is fact. Take 100kg out and you are still much heavier than a lightened early car

[stuartj]

Ive owned an 86 and a 964. Very different, and I do miss the noise smell and rawness of the older car, especially with a muffler and suspension set up. That said, the 964 is better in every regard. TORQUE. Couple of bucks spent on RUF springs bars shocks- very nice car indeed.


If you are considering a 964, I strongly recommend Adrian Streather's excellent and comprehensive 964 book. Everything you want to know.

[pu911]

I have never owned any of the modern P cars but I driven them. I suppose in a lot of ways they are like any Porsche they are great out of the box but can be so much better with the correct tweaking. I have owned about every concievable variation of older 911's they are all great but I would want to drive any of them everyday, no on a race track that is a different story.
Phil

[Doug&Julie]

Ditto the comments about the rennlist.com 964 board...there's a lot of traffic over there and some great info.

Shuie in the spring I drove a 964 with 170k miles on it. It was as solid as a rock. I loved the drive. Had I not just bought the Subaru at the time, I just might have that car right now. Of course, you probably know I'm a fan of the more modern Porsches anyway, but it's hard to argue that the 964 is truly the "best of both worlds" 911...just the right balance of "raw" and "modern" for me.

You may see my "T" up for sale next spring as well...

[jmz]

My $.02

I love my '74 which is very much a hot rod and pretty much an early car in terms of behavior. I'd be willing to bet it didn't weigh much more than a '73 when new and is certainly lighter than a box stock '73 now.

I can't even imagine using one as a daily driver. For one, it wouldn't be comfortable all day every day. Secondly, I just wouldn't want to subject an early car to the rigors of daily use (parking lot dings, water...rust etc.)

I think a 964 would make a far better daily driver in terms of comfort, (a/c) etc.

A retro-ish 964 Hot rod like pictured above would be way cool.

Now about that '72 with a 3.2 in it. sure would look good in my driveway

[pu911]

I thought about backdating my 930 but I really like the idea of a 964 backdate as well. I thought the C4 I drove just needed more power.
Phil

[RallyJon]

I've seen more posts in the last few months than in the past few years from owners of fun, modified early 911s thinking of going 964/993. I've been having those thoughts myself.

For me, 75% of the argument against is weight. I've watched as every cool new car that comes out weighs hundreds of pounds more than it needs to. Nowadays, 3200lb+ sportscars and 3700lb+ sports sedans are the norm. This pisses me off in principle as well as in reality.

I drive a 3300lb Subaru STI. Every time I'm in a transition I wonder just how much quicker and better feeling the old (non-U.S.) 2800lb STI would have handled it. My wife has a 3700lb Audi S4 Avant. Even with a firmer aftermarket suspension, that car wets it's pants over every crest or in any turn that requires managing bumps as well as cornering loads.

Weight is EVIL--and you don't need to be on a racetrack to feel it's effects.

Then I read Tyson and Bill V's comments here. Can it be? Is it true that a 964/993 can be nimble and weightless despite their 3000lb+ bulk (which is pretty much for a tiny coupe)?

[Doug&Julie]

Does anybody know how much a 964 weighs?

[Doug&Julie]

Wait, I just answered my own question. According to a 964 brochure, the C2 is 1350kg (1380kg w/tip) and the C4 is 1450kg. What is that in pounds?

[Porsche Doc]

Hey Man,
I know of a certain C4 Thats looks like a 73RSR that will be for sale soon.
Its the best of both worlds!

[Scooter]

Originally posted by Doug&Julie
Wait, I just answered my own question. According to a 964 brochure, the C2 is 1350kg (1380kg w/tip) and the C4 is 1450kg. What is that in pounds?

C2 is roughly 3050 lbs, and the c4 is roughly 3250 lbs (stock of course).

[Doug&Julie]

I had to look at my metric conversion chart...it says to get kgs into lbs, multiply by 2.205. At that rate, the C2 is 2976.75 lbs (3042.9 lbs w/tip) and the C4 is 3197.25 lbs.

Yeah, not exactly "lightweights", but certianly not 3500lb sedans.