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RideShoot&Drink 02-26-2006 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by 911teo
Keith and Aaron at Zuffenhaus are the expert. I know th G50 is longer and wider. U need to modify th eTbar housing and modify the tunnel.

I'll ask them to chime in for more precise infos...

Thanks Matteo, any info would be greatly appreciated!

P.S.: it seems like in the end, you wouldn't have to adjust to a different exterior color! :D

Brother 02-26-2006 01:54 PM

What is different/better about the 935 suspension?

What does it allow you to do?

m325ix 02-26-2006 02:09 PM

this is awesome ! I know the feeling, keep the faith !

ischmitz 02-26-2006 02:39 PM

Matteo,

very nice project. It seems like money for sure isn't an issue or a limiting factor in this built. What is the entire budget you have planned for this?

Just adding up a fully built 3.9 engine with MOTEC, massive tub mods, full 935 suspension, paint, new donor tub, etc. I am wondering if you could almost buy a 997 cup car outright instead....

Keep us posted with lots of pictures on progress.

Cheers,
Ingo

911teo 02-27-2006 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brother
What is different/better about the 935 suspension?

What does it allow you to do?

First of all I had to replace the whole front suspension. A-arm, struts, cross member etc. so I thought that if I ever wanted to do the ERP kit now was the time...

As per the advantages the main benefit is adjustability. Camber, caster, track width can be easily set. Also you get rid of the cross member as the ERP has its own. The arms are longer and the pivo point is raised to improve camber and reduce anti-dive tendencies under braking.

Will I take full advantage of this? I doubt it.. at least initially... But it's there and I can only get better.

These are a couple of pics to see how it will looke when installed

From the Rennspeed website

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1141044868.jpg


And on the car from autometrics

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1141045036.jpg

Jon Merck 02-27-2006 04:12 AM

Matteo, What an awesome car! When do project completion on this?

911teo 02-27-2006 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by FSTNBLK
Matteo, What an awesome car! When do project completion on this?
Thanks my friend...

I would say that the car with the old 3.6 could be ready by the 3rd week of March...

The 3.9 engine will take a little longer... I certainly hope to have it all done by Easter

Jon Merck 02-27-2006 04:24 AM

We'll have to schedule a "Spring Run" for this monster. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

911teo 02-27-2006 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ischmitz
Matteo,

very nice project. It seems like money for sure isn't an issue or a limiting factor in this built. What is the entire budget you have planned for this?

Just adding up a fully built 3.9 engine with MOTEC, massive tub mods, full 935 suspension, paint, new donor tub, etc. I am wondering if you could almost buy a 997 cup car outright instead....

Keep us posted with lots of pictures on progress.

Cheers,
Ingo

Ingo

I don't know about a 997 cup, but certainly I am in 996 GT3 territory.

But the way I see it is that since I am not a pro this has to be first of all FUN.
I know I could have bought a faster, more powerful, newer car for less money...
But my car will be something special.. something different, almost unique. I will have decided every details of it...

It was not meant to go this far.. I just wanted to fix mine after the crash and get it back on the road asap....

When I learnt that it would take a while to fix the tub I thought abt "upgrading" the 3.6... I had some time and some spare cash... And the rest is history... :o

A little better here, a little cooler there, no budget and I ended up with this.

Sometimes I wonder if I went a little too far. In the quest of making this the ultimate fun 911 I might have created a "monster" and messed up the "balance". it takes more than a hugely powerful engine and light chassis to make a good car.

We'll see...

911teo 02-27-2006 04:42 AM

Jon

anytime... I'd love to have a spin on yours too...

Fl Ted 02-27-2006 06:17 AM

The ultimate "as long as I'm in there" 911!!
Porsches: should be on the governments "controlled substances" list!!!

mjshira 02-27-2006 04:18 PM

the ultimate 911 is the one you own IMHO. Matteo, your car is unique !

Brother 02-27-2006 05:56 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 911teo
[B]First of all I had to replace the whole front suspension. A-arm, struts, cross member etc. so I thought that if I ever wanted to do the ERP kit now was the time...

As per the advantages the main benefit is adjustability. Camber, caster, track width can be easily set. Also you get rid of the cross member as the ERP has its own. The arms are longer and the pivo point is raised to improve camber and reduce anti-dive tendencies under braking.

Will I take full advantage of this? I doubt it.. at least initially... But it's there and I can only get better.

[QUOTE]

Cool, I didn't know that. Those are the first pictures that I've seen. You do have to get coil overs in the front though, but you already talked about that with the spring perches and all.

Are you doing coil springs in the back? Does the ERP stuff do the same thing in the rear?

What the heck does ERP stand for?

Thanks for humoring my questions.

Jeff Alton 02-27-2006 07:40 PM

ERP is Eisenlohr Racing Products (sp). The fronts are remarkably abjustable, I run it on my car too. You have all the regular adjustments at the top of the strut (even moe if you get plates like Matteo is using) plus you can adjust caster and camber/track width under the car in a matter of minutes or seconds if you are fast!! :) The stuff is substantially lighter as well. ( thom and randy's database has the weights)

The rear allows you to adjust the toe by lengthening the plate with the big adjuster at the pivot point, very easy. It also adjusts idependant of camber. Once again, this only takes seconds as you don't loosen the rear bolts that mount the spring plate to the trailing arm. I *think* Matteo is using camber boxes for the trailing arm pickups, and this is the ultimate set up as it allows you to adjust camber from inside the car (rear seat area). I don't have the rear pivot boxes (yet) but would sure like them!

Matteo will have the ultimate (IMHO) :) suspension set up depending on what he does for sway bars. It will have a HUGE range of adjustment (think 3 times what a stock set up has), be very compliant, with absolutely no movement due to rubber pieces. The only rubber in this setup is in the tires.

Nice choices on the products my friend! I love it! :)

Cheers

Brother 02-27-2006 07:51 PM

Thanks Jeff

Nader 02-28-2006 01:18 AM

Incredible project. Will you still be taking it to the track? You haven't left anything to improve if you wreck it again!

Brother 02-28-2006 02:58 AM

What is the piece that parrallels the struts and comes down to the a arm? That isn't in the picture of the suspension.

Jims5543 02-28-2006 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 911teo
Thanks my friend...

I would say that the car with the old 3.6 could be ready by the 3rd week of March...

The 3.9 engine will take a little longer... I certainly hope to have it all done by Easter

I have a vacation home in Western NC. A fellow Pelican and I plan on some fun mountain runs this spring and summer. We would love for you to come over and cruise with us.

PorscheGuy79 02-28-2006 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brother
What is the piece that parrallels the struts and comes down to the a arm? That isn't in the picture of the suspension.
That is a through body sway bar.

911teo 02-28-2006 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by catca
ERP is Eisenlohr Racing Products (sp)

I didn't know myself.. you learn everything new every day ;)

Originally posted by catca
... I *think* Matteo is using camber boxes for the trailing arm pickups, and this is the ultimate set up as it allows you to adjust camber from inside the car (rear seat area). I don't have the rear pivot boxes (yet) but would sure like them!

I am not ready to lose the rear seats yet.. The 2 little helpers above love riding in the back of Papi's (daddy in Italian) Porsche.
I am thinking of a way of welding camber boxes there without losing the rear panel. We (well the guys at Zuffenhaus) are goig to make some major mods to the tunnel and rear seats area to fit the G50/31. So maybe we can find a way to get the camber boxes in there too.

Originally posted by catca
Matteo will have the ultimate (IMHO) :) suspension set up depending on what he does for sway bars. It will have a HUGE range of adjustment (think 3 times what a stock set up has), be very compliant, with absolutely no movement due to rubber pieces. The only rubber in this setup is in the tires.

I have a pair of The Racers Group sway bars. I destroyed the drop link in the accident but the rest is still re-usable. I love them as it is really easy to adjust them.

Originally posted by catca
Nice choices on the products my friend! I love it! :)

Thank you!


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