Cruise Control Brain

[Lorenfb]

"they do not have much technical knowledge onhand"

- rusnak -

Now that's a "nice" comment to make about a company that provides a Porsche forum
for your use to get free info for typical DIY fixes, i.e "It's too expensive to buy parts here.
Just do a web search for cheaper parts or fix it yourself."

[ianc]

I'm a new guy here. Without taking anything away from this terric forum and the obviously wonderful job that Pelican does with its business and supporting this site, could someone please point me to the Forum rules and etiquette provisions where it specifies no discussion of parts, fixes, options etc that do not result in a buy from Pelican?

Hi Sprint,

There is none really. The mantra is that no one should post offering parts and\or services that are in direct competition with Pelican's offerings, and rightly so.

Loren will chip in occasionally with non-helpful posts for two reasons:

1) he likes to make points with Wayne because his personality is so abrasive that he thinks it may protect him from being banned yet AGAIN when he's too rude, and,

2) he does electronic repairs for Pelican, hence exhorting you to use Pelican for these types of jobs is $$$ in his pocket.

Don't worry about it, and ask all the questions you like,

ianc

[rusnak]

Loren,

Is that true? You do electronic repairs for Pelican, which is why you are hinting so strongly that we should feel obligated to ask if the ydo electronic repairs?

Wait, let me reach for my wallet. Nah, you probably charge too much.

I'll go look up Beckmann. What was that number?

[Rot 911]

Have you noticed that Wayne has not weighed in on this thread in any manner, much less negative? Discussing how to rebuild a cruise control is a proper topic for this board and does not cut into Wayne's business. Loren just has an ax to grind.

[sprintamx]

Ianc: I appreciate the "explanation." And, yes, my comments were written with tongue firmly in cheek (if that's possible on a keyboard!). I also can appreciate the perspective that it could be considered rather "rude" to post competition on a merchant's proprietary site. However, that clearly does not seem to apply in this case--at all.

So far, we have a couple of third-party rebuild/fix options, and some owner experience that resoldering connections works for a while. Interesting that. Should the brain box be mounted with some kind of vibration isolation? Rubber grommets? Let it swing freely? Curious . . .

[Lorenfb]

"However, that clearly does not seem to apply in this case--at all."

Really???

So, anytime one can find a cheaper part and one from a potential Pelican
competitor for that product and other products, just suggest that Pelican
charges too much and post the competitor, right?

Real smart!

"mantra"

What? It's called common sense which it appears some lack and obvious
from their abilities (lack there of) in other areas.

[Rot 911]

Loren, how about you just STFU?

[sprintamx]

Realizing that I am wasting my time . . . and trying to maintain some high ground . . .

Umm, Loren, what exactly is the 1 for 1, apples to apples option that we are denying Pelican? I suppose if you personally want to make up the $500 or so difference for all concerned to buy a new box--which is your only "contribution" to this discussion--then maybe we have something productive to talk about. By the way, are you advocating that all broken components be thrown away instead of fixed? That runs counter to even owning one of these classics. Remember this thread is not about where to buy a "new" box, but how to fix those we have that ain't workin'. And, not everyone is an electronics DIY.

I could say more, but really, what's the point?

[rick-l]

If a group could get together, reverse engineer it, and publish the schematic on Pelican Parts I would consider it to be a meaningful contribution to your fellow man and also enhance the value of this web site.

Then do it for my 88 (CC is low on the list)

[Lorenfb]

"By the way, are you advocating that all broken components be thrown away instead of fixed? "

No!!!!!!!

It appears that some still fail to fully read some posts or lack the ability to understand them:

Again, Pelican Parts has MANY sources for parts (NEW AND REBUILT) and not only
for those indicated on this web site. If one needs a Porsche part NOT indicated
on the web site, you'd think one would use the telephone (They still exist.) and
ask John/Scott/Wayne if they could have the part rebuilt or ask their MANY
suppliers for a rebuilt unit.

Can't imagine the above is that difficult, but for some posters on this thread it is.

John/Scott/Wayne know many Porsche people/suppliers that are part sources and DON'T
post on Pelican Parts!

[cgarr]

Are the units rebuilt or repaired?

[Wavey]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

Loren, how about you just STFU?

Seriously.

[fireant911]

If indeed certain individuals do perform electronic repair work for Pelican (as is often rumored here), it is my opinion that an extreme disservice towards Pelican Parts has been made every time they post with their condensing garbage. They may have great technical abilities; however their presentation skills are very much unacceptable. Someone is truly a sad and angry individual...

[lhoudyshell]

Nine9six, many thanks. Lynn

[rusnak]

I think someone is clumsily trying to advertise his electronics rebuilding service and doing a somewhat clumsy job of it.

Anyhoo when I get mine sorted out I'll post to try to help you guys.

[dshepp806]

So,..no sources for schematics? Come on,....Loren,..I know you have some? Help us out here, slick.

Best,

[gtc]

Good thing I brought popcorn.
FWIW, I tried reflowing the solder on my board, but it didn't fix my CC. Off and decel didn't work when I bought the car, but it would hold a speed when i turned it on. Now it slowly loses speed, and off and decel still don't work.

I didn't see any questionable solder joints, so I really believe that my problem stemmed from a bad connection with the harness (the connectors appeared to use crappy aluminum pins), or perhaps a bad contact in the steering column switch. Now with the problem of losing speed, I'm a little afraid I might have fried something on the board when I was reflowing the solder.

[imcarthur]

A google search turned up this:

Porsche 944 Cruise He has pinouts & schematic that he developed for the 944 cruise.

I know similar/same components were often used . . . fwiw

Ian

[Tim Polzin]

Ian, good find, but it appears to be for the later unit with a servo motor instead of vacuum unit. I'm really not sure what he is doing, some sort of remote control? The 944 cruise board (tempostat) seems to be imbedded.

If anyone has the skill to work out the circuit on our 911 vacuum, I'll donate one of my boards to the volunteer.

What I've heard so far makes me think these units can work ok.

Tim

[rick-l]

Originally Posted by dshepp806

So,..no sources for schematics? Come on,....Loren,..I know you have some? Help us out here, slick.

Best,

This is one issue I have. If he actually contributed something instead of just saying "WRONG STUPID", if when someone said "my X doesn't do this" and he posted back "typically when that happens it is this (component XX or solder joint here)", I wouldn't have a problem. I wouldn't even have a problem if after this advice, and it didn't work out, he offered his services. To me this is more in line with the charter of a list like this.

This stuff is very simple and someone with a basic understanding of electronics could fix 99% of what is wrong. He could not do that however without design info (schematics) that Bobby Bosch (and others) are not prone to provide. For an individual to fix something one time it is a large effort to reverse engineer a circuit. If you can spread the effort to extract the data out over several repairs it is not so extensive per repair. Apparently this extracted information is his business.

If this data were all public knowledge the 80's vintage auto electronics repair business (guess who's) would be non existent.



Since it is obvious that he is not going to reveal any of his "PROPRIETARY" information which would jeopardize his "standard REBUILDING fee" I would think he should just butt out and not say anything.

Think of what the tone of this list would be (and how many fewer participants it would have) if the mechanic in the pacific northwest surfed the technical section and replied to every engine question with "that won't work. you're going to blow up your engine, bring it to me".