Here we go again! Zuffenhaus MS RSR project...

[lateapex911]

Where is the thumbs up emoticon!? Looks awesome

[ktr6]

Cage and black portions of the interior are done.

[slow&rusty]

Wow!

[Flojo]

great!

why the odd split color in the frunk?

[Math]

holy moly.

[eimkeith]

Originally Posted by Flojo

great!

why the odd split color in the frunk?

Headed for this:





- where the trunk was fogged in in black at some point.

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[ktr6]

Some final photos from paint. Car will be headed back to Zuffenhaus shortly to have the rear fender work finalized.

[lateapex911]

Cool...what a saga this has been! THis could become a book!

[Craig_D]

Honest question here (and much respect for the effort and skills on this amazing build!).

I know you've done a ton of custom tweaks for the body of this build, but you've added a full racing/rally cage. So my question is; why would you add that complete of a racing cage to something that's so special (body wise) that it would be tough to justify for a race car?

I would have thought you'd put something more along the lines of the cages that RUF puts into their road cars, which add stiffness and safety, but aren't the hardcore designs for actual rally championship battles. Or stick with more stock body mods, which are easier to repair, and take the thing racing.

I'm just curious about the cage overkill, and wonder if you're planning to campaign this car in a championship, or just wanted the sickest cage possible for a custom road car.

Thanks for sharing this amazing build with us, and thanks for your thoughts on the cage design.

Cheers,

- Craig_D

[ktr6]

Body is coming together.

[ktr6]

Originally Posted by Craig_D

Honest question here (and much respect for the effort and skills on this amazing build!).

I know you've done a ton of custom tweaks for the body of this build, but you've added a full racing/rally cage. So my question is; why would you add that complete of a racing cage to something that's so special (body wise) that it would be tough to justify for a race car?

I would have thought you'd put something more along the lines of the cages that RUF puts into their road cars, which add stiffness and safety, but aren't the hardcore designs for actual rally championship battles. Or stick with more stock body mods, which are easier to repair, and take the thing racing.

I'm just curious about the cage overkill, and wonder if you're planning to campaign this car in a championship, or just wanted the sickest cage possible for a custom road car.

Thanks for sharing this amazing build with us, and thanks for your thoughts on the cage design.

Cheers,

- Craig_D

Hi Craig, thanks for the questions, we have been discussing the cage recently and are still undecided. When the project first started the car was being used mainly as a DE car with the intent of building something to race in PCA. As the project has taken shape the objective has clearly changed and I would like to be able to use this car for street duty and DE events-will probably never race. The original MS cars did have a roll bar but not a full cage and Zuffenhaus does have an original style roll bar at their shop in inventory. I do think that the roll bar lends itself better to what my priorities are and keeps the car looking more like the original (which we have worked hard to accomplish).

Would appreciate the input from folks that are following this thread regarding the cage/roll bar. In speaking with Keith we are at a good point in the build to change the cage to an original style roll bar without much expense.

My question to the pelican community: If this was your build what would you do?

[ian c2]

Originally Posted by eimkeith

Hey guys. We can't seem to behave like a normal shop around here.

I thought you might be interested in a current project:
(this is why you should never leave your car unattended at zuffenhaus)

a client brought us his really clean '87 Carrera to get a little work - rollbar install, sunroof delete, and driprail removal.

g]

???

[ajserrano]

Less tubes... I feel those take away some of the beauty and great details you guys have worked so hard to implement in this remarkable world-class project. My .02 cents.

Did I say this is a 'remarkable project'??? Congrats!

[lateapex911]

Originally Posted by ktr6

Hi Craig, thanks for the questions, we have been discussing the cage recently and are still undecided. When the project first started the car was being used mainly as a DE car with the intent of building something to race in PCA. As the project has taken shape the objective has clearly changed and I would like to be able to use this car for street duty and DE events-will probably never race. The original MS cars did have a roll bar but not a full cage and Zuffenhaus does have an original style roll bar at their shop in inventory. I do think that the roll bar lends itself better to what my priorities are and keeps the car looking more like the original (which we have worked hard to accomplish).

Would appreciate the input from folks that are following this thread regarding the cage/roll bar. In speaking with Keith we are at a good point in the build to change the cage to an original style roll bar without much expense.

My question to the pelican community: If this was your build what would you do?

My 2 cents, no charge LOL. I understand the MS clone concept, so, I lean in that direction (a period appropriate bar, sadly more work and expense.)

But, when we look back at some of the things built and raced in the past, yikes they were sketchy. So, IF the bars they currently have in mind are to proper specs so that you can be strapped in, and have the straps be anchored properly at the correct angles, then I'd go with the more period correct and minimal bar. Thats my number one concern: your ability to walk away after a shunt, and the straps correct installation. THAT is something I'd want to be able to pass an SCCA or PCA inspection.

If you have concerns about it folding forward in a crash, etc, there are ways of making door bars that are removable, good for the street, and safer on the track.

[DaddyGlenn]

Given the intentions, I'd go period correct roll bar, too

[lateapex911]

Originally Posted by eimkeith

Headed for this:





- where the trunk was fogged in in black at some point.

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Keith, I know this isn't your car, but a basic question that I think you can answer, and the picture is perfect....

I have that exact fuel pump in my old 911. Unfortunately, while running, idling as I moved other cars in order to get it in the shop to do some maintenance, like replacing fuel lines, one fuel line cracked and...a fire started. (SO close to having them replaced!!!) I emptied 5 fire bottles and a 5 gallon bucket of water in a nearly comical effort to put out a fuel fire fed by gravity, and was lucky to minimize damage. However the fuel lines are gone between the pump and the bulkhead, which leaves me no example of how to replumb.

The pump, as you know, has 3 ports, one large (about 10mm) and two others. I surmise the large is the supply from the tank, based on the fact that one of the hard tubes is about 10mm...so thats easy. (Looks like the lowest port in the pic above)

So.... that leaves 2 equal ports. One goes to the carbs, the other is, I presume, a regulated pressure relief return to the tank. But which is which?

In the pic, I can't tell where they go. Is the output to the carb on the outer part near the silver cap? or the center port?

Maybe you (or somebody else ) might know?

(And also, feel free to post more stuff, love this thread!)
Thanks

[ktr6]

After the initial white paint, the car is back in Monroe at Zuffenhaus for rear fender finalization and fitment. So glad to see the project taking shape.

Thank you everyone for the input about the cage/roll bar. More updates soon!

[ktr6]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Quick turkey day update, car is back on the celette for final fitment and tweaking of the rear fenders.

[al lkosmal]

wicked cool Keith.

al

[ktr6]

We have a decision on the new vs the old cage!