Quarter window seal for pop out window - installatiion question

[keitho64]

I searched the forum and found some great references to installing the new quarter window seal on my 69. I was able to get the seal installed everywhere but the vertical part of the window by the door. No matter how hard I try to tap, pry, press or wedge the seal it does not seem to go into place on the vertical side.

Should I use weatherstrip adhesive on this part? Is there some trick I am missing? I did soak the seal in warm water and used a very little dish soap. I took a plastic hammer and tapped the seal in place around the entire surface. As I stated before I cannot get the one section on the vertical pillar to 'snap' into place. I have tried it first, last, with and without soap but no luck.

I am attaching some pictures for reference, hopefully you may see something I am missing. It seems like the seal is to loose to snap into the channel

Thanks

[ossiblue]

My first question is whether the seals are factory OEM or aftermarket. IIRC, when I replaced the seals on my quarter windows last year the seal was tight without the slack shown in your photo. I have not heard of problems with aftermarket window seals other than windshield and rear window seals but that may be your situation.

If those are factory seals, then maybe when you installed them (from the rear) and worked your way forward to the verticle, the rubber was stretched (like a rubber band) to "snap" into the groove but it was not lubed enough to pull back on its own, leaving a slack area at the verticle. I just remember doing mine and using lots of slightly diluted dish soap. It was messy, but installation went smoothly. You may want to reinstall them with more soap solution and work the seal in the groove to take up the slack at the verticle.

Let us know of your progress.

[WRGREENER]

i have had mine in and out 3-4 times (each). i have started at each end, chased, snapped unsnapped, and every day i set them down and try some other approach. don't feel bad. i did notice that in one photo you have a ribbon effect( the one showing the pca logo) i had that effect once and pulled off the entire gasket. i don't think it is good. with out question they have a defiant attitude. just remember at some place in time you might win.....let me know when you do i will send you mine.

[pozee]

keitho64,

+1 on using more soapy solution. You will notice that as the seal comes around the corner, it does not continue in the channel. There is a ridge in the groove of the seal. Use a spray bottle with dish soap and water and spray inside the groove in the seal. Then using the palm of your hand, gently coax it in the window frame channel and push on it with a back & forth motion. You'll know when it is seated correctly. Keep the glass close to the ground preferably on a soft surface just in case it slips out of your hand! Once seated, leave it alone until the soapy solution dries. It should stay put unless you pull on it.

Good luck.

[rolls 912]

I feel a little stupid asking this but do you install the seal when the window is mounted on the car or can this be done later?

[unclebilly]

Follow pozee's directions. it is actually quite easy. Do this with the window frame out of the car.

[keitho64]

Thanks for the tips, I will try again tonight with the soapy solution. I have been getting the vast majority of the seal to go in with minimal issues but this vertical channel has been a pain. I would swear the seal is to large but I know it is right. I will try working it in while using the soapy spray. Hopefully tonight I will have success.

I am doing this with the window out of the car. The pop out quarter window comes out real easy. There are 4 bolts along the vertical channel and then the latch is removed.

Thanks again, I'll let you know when I get it in.

[keitho64]

I did it!!! I feel like a pro now.

I will try my best to describe my technique. In the pictures I show above you can see the vertical part of the window has the loose seal. What I did was working from the interior side of the window I twisted/rolled the outer edge of the seal under the lip on the channel of the trim. While holding pressure against the outer edge with one had I rolled the interior side of the seal under the lip of the channel on the interior side. Once it started it went in no time.

Soaking the seal in hot water for about 15 minutes made it real easy to work with.

I would have taken a picture but my hands were a little busy. I will do the passenger side this weekend and try to make a video of it.

Thanks again for the ideas and assistance! This is a tedious job but I can see it is sealed against the body. With the old seal I could actually see through it, no wonder it leaked.

[sjmmam]

I was wondering. Is it possible to fit a pop out window like this to a 1981 911 SC. I would love to have the ability for air to flow through my car rather than relying on the AC. In Brisbane (Queensland Australia) we seek airflow rather than heating and I am seriously considering removing my heater and all the component's and trying to put as much air through the car as I can.
Regards

SJM

[WRGREENER]

Great job, i just finished my second window--ready to install. My questions? What prompted you to soak in hot h2o even more interesting is that my intuition (be what it may) would say to start inside and "snap-in" the bead) however you started outside (bead first) and worked to the inside. What made you go in that direction. Is this something that you auto guys know and did not share? I would try it (the next time) but, now that i have them complete i don't have the heart to start over. Good job

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by sjmmam

I was wondering. Is it possible to fit a pop out window like this to a 1981 911 SC. I would love to have the ability for air to flow through my car rather than relying on the AC. In Brisbane (Queensland Australia) we seek airflow rather than heating and I am seriously considering removing my heater and all the component's and trying to put as much air through the car as I can.
Regards

SJM

Someone posted a thread a while back that documented that exact project. Besides the quarter window hardware--mounting allen head bolts, nuts, latches and screws--you will also need the trim pieces that go under the window openings. If I can find the thread, I will post the link. You can do a search too, or someone may remember and post the link.

Found it: Install pop out rear quarter windows