Has someone a list of all the nuts & bolts required in a 911 rebuild?

[jsoderbe]

Hi all, maybe a stupid question but is there someone that has made a list of all the nuts, bolts, washers, screws and so on needed to put a early 911 back together? I have a bare shell coming from paint soon, and I am eager to put it back together asap.

I have a pile of old, worn bits and pieces, that I was thinking of CAD plating. But, it would be a lot easier just to bring a list of parts needed to the hardware store and buy them all new.

The engine and trans is already finished, so they can be excluded from the list.

I tried to search our hosts parts catalog without finding the package deal I am looking for. Maybe I missed it?

Anyone?


Thanks,

Johan

[James Brown]

check in Wayne's book not a "kit" but all the parts needed are in there with part numbers

[Wayne 962]

We sell rebuild hardware kits designed by me to contain all of the hardware needed during a rebuild. This info is indeed also in the book.

thx,

Wayne

[Turboo934]

Most of the hardware for a 911 can be custom grades and sizes. I would recad plate what I could and replace what was to far gone.Plus one on the motor hardware from our host. Body hardware can run in the thousands and most hardware stores don't carry the quality needed for these cars, I would check with Pelican first.

[jsoderbe]

Hi again,

thanks for the answers. So I guess the word is "hardware", didn't know that. But, I still can't find the kit in the parts catalog?

I have both Wayne's books (great reading!!), and I thought I had read them cover to cover. The only list I see is for parts needed to rebuild the engine. Maybe I have missed something?

What I am looking for is a complete hardware kit for putting a 911 back together. Meaning all the bolts, nuts, washers and screws needed to mount brake calipers, fenders, trim, seats, front and rear suspension, bumpers (and other body parts), engine and trans, and all other parts on a completely empty shell. The reason is that the majority of my hardware is rusty, worn and out of shape. I think it is worth a couple of 100 $ to be able to mount new hardware to the car.

It can't really be that much parts needed? Maybe a few hundred parts?


Regards,

Johan

[BRLuecke]

OH You want a list for a complete rebuild of the WHOLE 911.
JEEEZZ I think a list like that would stop anyone from attempting to rescue a "barn find"
Ha ha ha

[sc_rufctr]

But that would be a great list to have...

Just think all that fresh hardware never been wrenched on

Seriously... How hard could it be?
Just imagine if you could produce a full hardware set for a 911... Much like the full rubber seal sets.

[whiskyb]

Not sure what prices are in Sweden but over here it would run more than a few hundred. If you find a good source for the door hinge bolts or anyone else that has one I need some for my 69

[sc_rufctr]

I'd be willing to pay $1,000 for such a kit. Worth every penny...

[Turboo934]

One suspension bolt can cost you $20-30 . Like I said before a lot of these are custom grades it will cost you several thousands .Just head studs and rod bolts cost 1K, good hardware cost money. I use to stock hardware cabints to work on customers cars, thousand of dollars and didn't have it all. I would buy wrecked cars for their hardware and parts. Doing a nut bolt restoration makes for a brand new car. DON'T USE CHINA HARDWARE!!! For what I've spent on on hardware on the cars I've built ,I could have bought a new car.

[jsoderbe]

Peter, exactly my point. That would be a great list to have!

I'm not sure it actually is that many parts. Sure, some will be expensive, but most of them are not. Just imagine the feeling to put all new hardware back on the car! That would really make a difference.

I have dismantled two of my cars for resto last year, and I'm pretty sure all of the nuts, bolts, washers and screws on them would make an ordinary 10 liter bucket only half full.

Also, I'm currently assembling my convertible after a full respray, and all the hardware needed to put it back together isn't that much.

Maybe a business opportunity for Pelican Parts? Wayne, I'm ok with a percentage....


Thanks,

Johan

[dtw]

I collected a hundred pounds or so of hardware from parts cars and some I just bought from dC Auto (I am semi local, and brought a big ol' bucket). Then I had it all stripped, cad plated, and baked.

Total cost - including a bunch of other hard parts I had plated at much greater expense - was around $500. Now, if I don't know what nut or bolt goes where, I check the PET then pull it out of my inventory. Buying it all new is not really practicable for the reasons stated in the posts above.

[304065]

I would check PET-- depends on what year car you are doing, and of course the headmark.

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by 304065

I would check PET-- depends on what year car you are doing, and of course the headmark.

Damn, you beat me to it... PET

[Grady Clay]

Johan,

While a lot of work, you could go through the PET Parts Catalog for a 1972 911T; separating out LHD from RHD, Targa from coupe, manual from Sportomatic, etc. and get every Porsche part number, quantity, size and DIN type. Once done from PET, I would confirm with a paper parts manual as some numbers, sizes, etc. are not carried forward with PET.

You can no longer buy much of this from Porsche. With McMaster-Carr, Metric Multi Standard, Wurth and more you can get close. For some, you may need to buy a 911’s-worth of hardware from a salvage yard.

Careful cleaning and re-plating of good used hardware is a suitable alternative in most cases. There is quite an ‘art’ to proper cleaning and re-plating to have an original appearing finish. Too often re-plated hardware is ‘over-prepared’ where it looks too polished to be original.

There are several Pelican threads on this subject.

Some hardware, like CV joint bolts and Schnorr washers, need to be new and of the proper grade.

That would be the list.

Best,
Grady

(Three decades ago I could have pulled every nut, bolt, screw and washer fron stock.)

[gtc]

+1, it shouldn't take more than a few hours to go through PET and get the part numbers and quantities for all the hardware.

[RWebb]

a few hours??

he appears to be talking about the whole car -- the number of nuts, bolts, washers & machine screws must be 10,000 or so...

that said - I'd love to see a few people do at least parts of the PET for various model years...

- you will want the full Adobe Acrobat Pro program: load the original PET file and save to disc w/ a different name

- delete whole pages using Shift-Ctl-D

- save copies periodically as you go

you will eventually have a custom version for just your MY, trans, etc.

Save that

Then delete all the diagrams, keeping the lists

then I would look for a way to write out the Lists into Word or Excel and sort/collate to eliminate duplicates and generate a count of how many of each one - this could be programmed in BASIC or something also.

Good Luck!

[ghost1001]

What is a PET? Where do i find the PET?

[fbarrett]

Ha! Why not just buy a complete but non-running parts car of the same year and model, pull off the hardware you need, clean it up, and sell the remaining the bits and pieces for a profit? Hardware-store rod bolts just don't inspire much confidence, even those from hardware stores in Stuttgart!

Frank

[James Brown]

Ghost1001, PET is Porsches exploded parts diagram. go to the main pelican page, click on parts diagram, this takes you to the Porsche site, enter the type and year of the car, parts book is in a PDF format, copy and paste part number in Pelican search, order and pay for parts (free shipping on most orders over $75.00!), take pictures, do a write-up, publish it in this BBS, thank Wayne for the awsome site. Drive the car happy!