no way! on the epoxy


just as soon as you thought it was safe to go play you would be 50 miles from home when the epoxy failed and then you'd be out all your usable internals.

to much risk to try and patch it.

if you dont have the time buy a running second hand mtor for now bolt it in and drive while you rebuild your current hole in one :rolleyes::eek::eek:

sorry to see this we all have been down a similar path one time or another.

cheers ed

Ouch, sorry to see that.
It looks repairable, but I'm no expert.
Must have left a nice puddle of oil on your garage floor huh?

I am thinking its time for a trip to the insurance company. They won't have a clue what it will take to fix it or the costs. If anyone has any idea roughly as to what the steps and costs will be. I pay lots for the insurance and would be nice to get it fixed properly.
And ya, it made a huge mess on the floor. Just threw sand on it and walked out the door. Got a beer. Sat in the dark.

how would insurance pay for this?

will insurance cover something that you caused.

i hope you can get your money out of them,i have paid for 25 years and never got a dang thin from them but a monthly bill.

hope it works out.

cheers ed

I am going to see them in the am but they should. They cover any damages to the vehicle that weren't will-full damages. It was jack failure that caused the damage.
I have heard of people driving over rocks and smashing out oil pans getting complete motors replaced.
Crossing fingers!

good luck

hope it works out for you, dont let them total your car due to the motor cost as this would ruin its future value. play it safe and think all there offers through before agreeing to something.

good luck

cheers ed

Sorry to hear about the hole in your case, but shouldn't your jack stand have been supporting the motor instead of your jack? Were you jacking it up when the jack failed, then how did the jack stand get under the engine? Just remember, Safety First.

ouch..... :(

Good news is you should check the regional forums (Canada) for haycait911 's post for a 69 engine case (and internals) forsale from about 3 months ago. Not sure if he still has it, but if so, that will sort of solve some of problem.

JB Weld to the rescue!
 

IF you needed a temporary fix you could use a product called Marine Tex. It's stronger than JB Weld. I wouldn't bet the pricy internals on a putty fix for long though. It would be tough to get the surfaces clean and oil free enough to bond. But- modern aerospace, aircraft and race cars have bonded metal parts. It takes experience and a clean joint.

I would transfer the parts to a new case. If you have ever played around with magnesium ribbon you can imagine the dangers of messing around with magnesium and high heat!

Of course this accident is "sudden and accidental" you just might be covered with your car policy. Your car also might NOT be excluded on your homeowners policy. I mention these options because you are looking at a PRICY R&R.

It's really great though, that that fell on your engine and not your HEAD!

Take this experience as a chance to make that fantastic 2 liter engine as new.

Good Luck!
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The welding will be easy and non problematic. The big thing will be complete engine disassembly. If you do the work yourself, the big expense will be gaskets. If you have a shop do the work a used engine might be a cheaper route. Then you sell your core to a DIY guy for abbout half the price of a good used engine. Good luck.

Diverdan

This might be a stretch, but I wonder if you could fit an aluminum plate out of say .060" T3 then install aircraft "cherry rivets" (structural blind rivets) and some heat resistant epoxy or PRC adhesive? The only problem I see is the area next to the case halves.

mechanical repair
 

The contour at the edge of the damage makes any mechanical repair tedious.

That'll buff right out!
Seriously, I would patch it. Make a 3/16 thick aluminum plate about 1/2 larger than the hole (where possible) to go inside the case. Bore and tap a series of #6 screw holes around the perimeter of the plate with matching holes in the case. Bore and tap a few holes in the center area of the plate with matching holes in the broken piece. Put epoxy on the seams, screw it together, and drive it while you look for another engine. I would not consider such a patch to be a permanent fix, of course, but what do you have to lose?

Mechanical Repair...
 

I agree, however it's worth considering since dropping the engine, a new case and switching the internals over (probably at that point a rebuild is in order) is also more than tedious, can you say expensive...

Mitch

That may work but for how long would it be oil tight?
It's worth a try but even then you'd have to take it apart to get it really clean and well sealed.
And if you're going to do that then why not weld it instead?

If it was mine >>>

Pull the engine and carefully disassemble.
Get the hole professionally welded by a specialist. Send it interstate if you have to.
If the welding doesn't hold then the only other thing to do is buy a good case and transfer your internals etc.

Second hand engine? That's your call but it's an unknown.

Whatever you do it's going to be expensive but you already know that.
Learn from it and move forward. What else can you do?

I feel bad for you. I can only imagine how you felt when it happened.

Me Too!
 

Just looking at it makes me want an "eye-opener"!!!!!!

If it is not a car with collectible potential, sell or part out the motor with full disclosure and fit a good used motor (SC or 2.4 long block?)

A used case is not that much, it is getting it machined, squared up and ready for use that is expensive. If going that far, might as well make it a good rebuild. Now it is a $7-12k deal.

Actually, insurance may pay! I asked my agent what happens if one of the kids knocks over a cabinet and it ruins my car? What if a light falls and breaks the windshield while in the garage? I told him that I suspect folks do lots of stupid things that result in accidents...

He said its covered. It goes under comprehensive, as these were "accidents." He added something about insurance companies not being able to deny coverage due to "stupidity...", Then he smiled...

JB Weld it up, then get this guy Terry to sell it for you!

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I had the car jacked up and just slid the 2 jack stands under the car. I was positioning the 1 stand under the car when the car just came crashing down. It landed on the stand I had yet to position and it was unluckily right at that point. The jack is a 2.5 ton jack, only about 7 years old but lost all its fluid too and now won't jack up at all so something inside must have broke. It was a close call. I am a paramedic and have been to a lot of calls where guys are squished under their cars so I always use jack stands with the jack.