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4 wire versus 3 wire O2 sensor.
Correct me if I'm wrong.....the difference in the 3 and 4 wire O2 sensors is that the 3 wire grounds thru the case of the sensor....while the 4 wire has an extra ground wire?
It's a Mazda/Chrysler thing from what I see on the net... ![]() So as long as the grounds and power are correct and the sensor fits the bung, a four wire can be used? Reason I ask, I was able to pick up a number of NIB Bosch 4 wires for real cheap....
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yes, you don't have to use the heater elements. are these wide band O2 sensors?
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I WANT to use the heating elements. It's a good thing......
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The heater portion of a 4 wire 02 sensor is monitored by OBDII vehicles. If youre putting this on anything older than a 96 model, its irrelevant.
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Why not just get a Ford Taurus O2 Sensor, proper 3 wire.
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I would but I have two 4 wires that I got for cheap. Just looking to see if there is any downside on using them....I don't have an OBD engine as it's a 93. But it IS wired for a heated 02.
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Won't the O2S ground itself when bolted in?
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Yep, I've done that!
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The 4-wire is a still narrow band O2 with the 4th wire being a signal ground. The signal is only a 0-1V range and simple temperature changes alone can alter the output using the exhaust as the signal ground.
Going to a 4-wire, and actually running the signal ground right to the DME ground point is ideal but simply running a good ground wire to a known chassis ground or to the neg post on the battery are still far better than using the 3-wire grounded through the exhaust. A narrow band 4-wire can be very accurate and significantly faster responding than a 3-wire. If I was having a hard time passing an emissions test this is one thing I would do.
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