did you not understand his question?

I'm going to have to assume that at this point you are simply joking around - no other explanation I can think of for the absurdity of what you wrote . . .

wwest doesnt know. he really doesnt know. hopefully he can dream up a new theory by tomorrow. lol

WHAT???

Now he's claiming that this so-called gas-phase cavitation happens at engine fan speeds???

Supposedly, by the link I was sent, this happens only when a turbine spins at tens of thousands of RPM. Of course, that assumes that one citation in a car forum and nowhere else, anywhere, constitutes evidence that cavitation occurs in the gas phase.

Compressor stall? He has no idea what's even going on there, physically. It doesn't have any relation to blower fans or engine fans. He makes it up as he goes, inserting big words he finds on the internet. Only an idiot would take anything he says seriously.

"Turbine stall."..? Don't know if I've even ever seen the term, let alone made use of it.

Compressor stall, yes.

You seem to accept cavitation as a legit term...in the very same context yet...

Post #3

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/728120-5-blade-fan.html#post7205116

And here we have both Jim Sims, post #9, and...Kuehl, post #10, both seemingly accepting the "cavitation" term as legit. Also a context of interest to us.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/686165-c-evaporator-intake-theory.html#post6830640

It's great to see the turboencabulator is still in use after all these years ;) Good stuff , keep it coming!

Good for you - you found an old thread where I made a mistaken post within it (I said in it that the 993TT used a curved blade fan, which is false, as it uses the straight blade fan) - I amended the post and admitted my mistake. Thanks for calling that to my attention.

YEP TRIPPLE DIGIT AMBIENT TEMPS ALL OVER THE USA TODAY THE 911 OWNERS USING MY PFC’s ALL HAVE 30 DEGREE 911 A/C
If you think it’s hot now just wait it’s going to get even hotter this this summer setting new high temp recorders all over the USA and world

If you’re interested in a real 911 A/C new technology very cold PFC solution private message me


The stupidity and ignorance of the majority of the recent posters to my tread I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear REALLY CRACKS ME UP!!! It’s the blind leading the blind AND OTHER IDIOTS the same people posting here also posts in all the A/C THREADS HERE. This sadness makes any of us that are knowledgeable related to 911 A/C SYSTEMS SAY NOTHING TO AVOID THE BS FROM THE IDIOTS.

Keep your posts on topic to this tread or don’t post here; GO START YOUR OWN THREAD ELSEWARE IF YOU REFUSE TO BE AN ADULT!!

It is really sad that the majority of the posters here Are Very Disrespectful and must act like children

FYI FAN Mentality JUST POSTED HERE is pure stupidity related to making an early model 911 A/C System cold & is shear lunacy LOL
Pull your rear deck lid condenser off your deck lid, go to Home Depot or other hardware store that sells heating/air conditioning lengths of insulation or weather stripping and buy some for only a couple of dollars. Attach your chosen insulation to your deck lid around the outer edge of the inside of the deck lid thick enough so when you re-attach your rear condenser is completely sealed to the intake air opening so all incoming air is FIRST FORCED “ONLY THROUGH YOUR CONDENSER” WITH NO AIR ALLOWED TO GO AROUND THE EDGES SO THAT YOUR HUGE 911 ENGINE DRIVEN COOLING FAN HANDLES ALL AIR INTAKE AND COOLING. This very simple a/c modification will greatly improve the efficiency of your rear main a/c condenser far better than any fan you could try to add for the rear condenser, unless you just like wasting your time and money <GRIN>


REGARDING Retroaire’s reference and picture
HEAT EXCHANGER “MULTI-FLOW” TECHNOLOGY IS OVER 10 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY FROM THE R-12 DAYS AND IS PRE PFC MICRO-CHANNEL PARALLEL FLOW R134A TECHNOLOGY! Notice there is no reference to R134A and only R-12 in the picture.

FACT MICRO-CHANNEL TECHNOLOGY TUBE Extrusions Inventions ARE THE HIGHEST KEY For the most efficient A/C heat exchanger designs IN THE WORLD TODAY!!!!

THERE ARE NEW ALMOST DAILY MICRO-CHANNEL TECHNOLOGY TUBE Extrusions Inventions being invented and made available, so fast it is nearly impossible to keep up with the very latest state of the art of the micro-channel extrusion tubes to say the least in my design changes. But fortunately I can adapt very quickly and change my designs because I can change anytime I want because I do not rely on others for manufacturing changes.

These MICRO-CHANNEL TECHNOLOGY TUBE Extrusions are why the “Surface Area on a PFC” with state of the art PF TUBE Extrusions are what allows the PFC to ACHIEVE A 25-35 percent smaller in physical surface area dimensions footprint AND STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE AN INCREASED 30-45 percent greater heat exchanger Efficiency which is GREATER THAN 10 YEAR OLD MULTI-PASS A/C TECHNOLOGY. For anyone stuck in touting obsolete serpentine or other technologies or older micro-channel technologies THAT ARE COMPLETELY PROHIBITED FROM THIS CAPABILITY BY TECHNOLOGY DESIGN LIMITATIONS, you’re an ignorant fool AND REFUSE TO BELIEVE SCIENTIFIC FACT AND/OR EVERY NEW AUTOMOTIVE A/C SYSTEM ENGINEERING DESIGNER IN THE WORLD TODAY OF ALL THE MAJOR MANUFACTURES.


Retroaire as a reference ROFLMAO, how ignorant to modern fact.

Retroaire is clueless to say the least, this Retroaire very obsolete web picture example was found on the internet and was posted by its original author about 10 plus years plus ago, notice it only talks about “PASSES”

YET SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE HEAT EXCHANGER TUBE technology used for the passes DUH!!! Or even what kind of heat exchanger it is and the reason is because Retroaire has no clue.

Retroaire’s claim to fame is they were the first to put A GENERIC UNIVERSAL Parallel Flow technology a/c condenser in an old Jaguar replacing a Jaguar’s Tube and Fin technology OEM condenser when they found a generic universal fit a/c PF condenser that would fit SUPPLIED BY ACKITS.COM (ALTHOUGH NOT PERFECTLY) in front of the radiator. Then they expanded their product line a bit due to their success with the Jaguar they put one in when they added A GENERIC UNIVERSAL Parallel Flow technology a/c condenser in an early model 911 deck lid replacing the 911 Behr rear condenser tube and fin technology with a PF old technology condenser that was a poor deck lid fit too small and not curved to fit the deck 911 deck lid contours. A few years ago when they posted their results on the Jag and on the 911, I looked very carefully at the pictures in their test and it was easy for me to ID the supplier of their generic universal condensers and out of curiosity I ordered one from their supplier and meticulously tested it on my 75 Carrera; yep its far better than the Porsche Behr OEM’s, but its performance and efficiency really sucked as well as the technology used in it. If anyone wants it let me know it’s in my rejected test components trash bin and useless to me and was the last straw before I started making my own state of the art PFC’s.

I have spent a lot of time carefully evaluating and testing all the 911 heat exchanger aftermarket & OEM products available before getting angry how much they suck using their old obsolete technology and designs before I decided to finally engineer, design and make my own front and rear matched set state of the art high technology PFC’s specifically for early model 911’s because I could not buy what I wanted anywhere in the world for my 1975 Carrera. When I started to get extremely serious to make my 911 A/C using R134A VERY COLD and successfully accomplished this engineering task using my new technology heat exchanger designs with a 30 degree A/C system in 95 degree ambient temps I had no intension to make them for others.

But only after accomplishing my original goal beyond my expectations with my heat exchanger PFC’s I started getting further into the early model 911 A/C system other components and developed a new technology evaporator and other new ways to control the refrigerant which now has led to several discoveries and new inventions unknown to anyone for a complete early model 911 A/C redesign that is a new discovery redesigned new early model 911 A/C SYSTEM that is very cost effective and overcomes ALL PORSCHE A/C FLAWS, unfortunately I will not make this available for the DIY !

Let me enlighten you about Retroaire and the condensers they sell to their unsuspecting customers and where they buy/get them from and what they are! GRIN, this is info they do not want you to know BECAUSE you can buy the same low tech PFC condenser they sell as theirs from ACKITS.com for only $136. They are GENERIC LOW TECH PFC’s that come in many UNIVERSAL dimension SIZES. Go to ACKITS.com Automotive Air Conditioning Parts & Equipment.
ACKITS.com Automotive Air Conditioning Parts & Equipment.: Parallel Flow Condensers - High End Aluminum

hint Look at the ackits.com universal FSHE PF Condensers that will almost fit the inside of your deck lid air opening but too small


then go to Retroaire web site and look closely at their pictures if you can find them and compare them to ackits.com universal , if you cannot find Retroaire’s rear condenser picture on their web site do a Google search for retroair Porsche condenser test and you should be able to find a picture of their rear deck lid condensers

BTW Retroaire’s 911 $200 front serpentine obsolete technology is made in China

Related to the 911 aftermarket A/C component contenders I consider everything Retroaire sells is subpar, but whatever floats your boat

Regarding Rennaire I think their pro-cooler is a waste of money, yes it does sort of work to give only a couple of degrees only colder vent temp. everyone I know that professionally works on Porsches for a living and there are several I know for many years think the procooler is worthless from what they have told me has been their experience installing them for their 911 a/c clients; however I slightly disagree because it does slightly provide a very small amount of 911 A/C system further cooling. But a procooler is sure not going to make your 911 cold other than only a couple of degrees at most. It bothers me that people waste their money on a procooler trying to find a 911 A/C solution. They would be better off to buy a cheap rear PF condenser that they could make fit inside their rear deck lid.

FYI Cab the owner of Rennaire tried to buy one of my early design rear deck lid patent pending PFC’s after I sent him a front and rear matched set of one of my versions prototypes and wanted an exclusive to this particular design I made for him after we exchanged design Non-Discloser agreements, but I turned him down to give him an exclusive. Cab did send me on of their front evaporators and still owes me a pro-cooler. Their evaporator they sent me was ok in testing I guess for serpentine technology; but I found it and the other manufactures serpentine evaporators I have thoroughly tested and evaluated to not be much better than a stoke OEM Behr Porsche tube and fin technology evaporator.

This is why I designed and fully tested my new state of the art 911 PFE PHASE II evaporator that I have just been too busy to put on the market, because I have had a much more important Invention I call my 911 A/C SYSTEM discovery and new invention that went right over the heads of ALL the stupid pelican posters that fill every a/c thread here at pelican technical discussion a/c area’s

My new state of the art early 911 A/C System Invention will never be made available for DIY’ers. I have given an INSTALL exclusive too Stokes Automotive Porches ONLY For Florida 911 owners and AT ONLY IN Stokes Porsche shop in Ft. Lauderdale installed in Justin’s Shop.

I am extremely different than any of my main aftermarket 911 competitors they all use old technology I consider obsolete heat exchanger technologies and I only use state of the art heat exchanger technologies of today and the future as soon as they change to something new or better is developed.

Griffiths for the serpentine heat exchanger technology they offer I strongly believe is obsolete, although I must say to be fair Griffiths has only high quality components for everything they offer along with excellent product support.

However I also believe using wheel well heat exchangers is stupid and totally not needed to get extremely cold vent temps with R123A unless you are stuck with using an old serpentine technology mentality; because I know that that it is a fact with serpentine technology heat exchangers including the latest serpentine technology designs, serpentine must have more surface area then the early model 911 body has available because they have a low level of heat exchanger efficiency, and due to the well-known Porsche A/C heat exchanger not having enough room for early technology heat exchanger surface area available in the first place with early heat exchanger condensers so Griffiths was forced to add extra heat exchanger condensers surface area running 3 or more in total condensers to get enough liquid refrigerant from the high temp/pressure compressed refrigerants gases so the evaporator would provide comfortable temps in warm ambient temps without starvation.


FACTS!
State of the Art Micro-Channel PFC’s A/C technology has the unique beauty serpentine technology completely lacks and can never have;
Micro-Channel PFC’s technology not only has newer technology that allows approx. 30 to greater than 45 percent more efficient than any serpentine technology; Micro-Channel PFC’s technology HEAT EXCHANGERS SURFACE AREA CAN BE approx. Additionally 25-35 plus LESS/SMALLER IN SIZE FOR SERFACE AREA (THAN ANY HEAT EXCHANGER TECHNOLOGY CREATED BEFORE IT) AND STILL HAS THE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN CAPABILITY TO STILL BE approx. 30 to greater than 45 percent more efficient than any serpentine technology!

THIS scientific A/C technological fact related to limitations of the Porsche early model 911 body cavities design flaw related to limited/TO SMALL A/C condenser surface area when using only 2 of my custom designed State of the Art Micro-Channel PFC’s A/C technology made specifically for early model 911’s 30 degree vent temps in very high ambient temps of at least 100 ambient temps

No one cares Reid. Lol most of us myself included don't own anything from Retroaire. The point I was making in posting their graph is not that it is good. It was that the tech is in fact different and not the same among various types. An assertion that wwest was making to an unsuspecting poster.
Carry on with your sales...

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Sales??? He is selling hot air so far. Years on and nothing to even beta test except for his friends in his back yard.

Then he posts a chart showing the high temps in the US and guess what? None of his products out West where its warmest...

Agree... no one cares until "sailor boy" comes up with product for sale. And the 1st of July in the middle of the hottest summer in years is a tad bit late...

And how many sales or even beta units do you have West of Florida? You know, the HOT part of the country.

It was 92 this morning when I woke up and your HIGH of 90 in Florida is not even that hot!

Get real!

Joe I was more than WISE deciding not doing anything for or with you and dumped you last year,

get over it

you need a life besides living in the Pelican threads constantly making stupid comments over nothing but your self indulged insanities, quit acting like a fool and grow up and be an adult and get a real life outside the Internet.

Your no better than your buddy wwest and the all the other fools who fill all the A/C threads with nothing but multiple pages of useless drivel!

Ahh Sailor boy,

I am really glad that I kept all the emails and get an email transcript of the voice messages YOU left on my cell phone. Would you like me to post copies of them here?

The ones from you begging me to return your call "Joe, please call me back when you can, I finally have some condensors that you can try on your car. Please, I need a beta tester in Arizona and want to work with you!" On and on, over and over and yet you never came up with any product, so I went with Kuehl, something available RIGHT NOW that works.

WWest a buddy? Sorry pal you have me mixed up with someone else. My A/C threads are productive and my car is putting out vent temps 70 degrees lower than OAT (118 degrees outside air temp and vent temps of 48 degrees TODAY here in Arizona!) but you can keep slobbering and drooling all you wish!

LOL.

Only does wwest assert that if you don't call someone out on a technical error, then you accept the technical error as actual truth. The very fact that he asserts this is mind-boggling.

Cavitation doesn't happen in the gas phase. Ever. Even at turbomolecular pump speeds (over 100k RPM.)

Reid,

Lets end this little game.

Its very easy. You came on the PP board saying "I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear." This was TWO YEARS ago, plus or minus a couple of days. We did not ask you to do this, you did it on your own.

Its time to put up or shut up. Produce the condensers you keep posting about FOR SALE and open to anyone and everyone to buy them and install on their cars or stop dangling this carrot in front of everyone (especially the newby's who do not know of the games played in the past) and continuing this train-wreck.

You have lost creditability with 99% of the people here with these games. Win it back... show that we are all wrong and start putting out these new condensers.... or STFU and go sailing.

Joe A

Well put, Joe!

You want it I GOT IT AND IT WILL BE CUSTOM MADE FOR YOU
 

I HAVE FIVE OF MY STATE OF THE ART PFC FRONT AND REAR MATCHED SETS NOW SITING HERE LOOKING FOR A LUCKY DIY OWNER that only need to know what size hose end fittings you will require which is easy to do, I have another FIVE sets near done and with more to follow AS NEEDED.

If you’re seriously interested in owning my FRONT AND REAR Matched SET PFC's and don't want to wait for the Pelican DIY testers reports to be published private message me and give me your contact information and what you need as far as hose fitting ends!!! Note my PFC’s are not an exact OEM replacement because they both full advantage of every millimeter of usable placement space possible and mount slightly different and they fit into the body cavities much tighter and better than OEM condensers, however you may need to modify your hose ends a little depending on the hoses you have or intend to use to connect to the PFC fittings

I CAN CURRENTLY MAKE AT LEAST 10 MATCHED SETS A DAY OR EASILY MORE IF I NEED/WANT TOO!

THE handful of idiots posting & making all the stupid BS noise in all the A/C threads here with their ignorant drivel and disrespectful bad attitudes can go sit in the corner sucking their thumbs with the other children and ignored AND TALK TO THE HAND!


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Reid, you keep mentioning the "disrespect" that you feel is being posted, however, isn't posting the same pictures over and over and over (such as the one above) disrespectful to the owner of this forum as it wastes available space? Pot & kettle?

Right, and it is equally mind boggling that wwest is so absurdly prideful that rather than concede that he is wrong, even when published data and independent tests confirm his error, he just digs in deeper by questioning the validity of the well known, many sourced facts, because in his world, they just can't be right.

I know he has been spinning doozies for a couple of years in the a/c threads, but his offered explanation for why Porsche continued to use the straight blade fans on the turbo models, even after changing to the curved blade fans on the NA models for reasons of noise compliance, really takes the cake!

Everything is being done to preserve his ego due to buying snake oil from SPAL... which serves no purpose at temps above 80 degrees. when it gets uncomfortable for him, he jumps on a tangent (i.e Porsche fan output, lexus and ford woes) and when clearly overmatched just fights to the death. he will, in the end, always come back to SPAL fans and switches. Its all he has...

He and Reid are very much alike. BS post after BS post all point back to unproven and unreliable claims with no new proof or data.

And here it is mid-July in one of the hottest summers we have had in years here in the desert and not a peep out of Reid, or any of his phantom "beta-testers" with good hard NEW data, product or photos.

Still driving the system that I built up last summer and seeing 40-50 drops in temp out of the vent. When its 110 outside seeing mid-50 degree vent temps sure is nice and even down into the 40's when its under 100. All with Kuehl's proven equipment...

Joe A

Joe sounds to me like all you can do is ***** and moan that 60 pounds plus of R-12 refrigerant you have is not working so good with your THREE obsolete technology condensers you neglected to mention with your so called “Kuehl's proven equipment” The rest of the world automotive manufactures and also all new technology refrigeration engineers consider obsolete .

Both you and Ronnie have sure turned vindictive since I told you NO and I dropped you a year ago as being one of my PFC testers, it’s a shame your such a spoiled brat when someone says NO TO YOU, but is one of the reasons why you were dropped in the first place and has turned out to be a wise choice when I closely examined your more than many hundreds of posts here LoL.


I find it hilarious that your “Kuehl's proven equipment” vent temps are not so good only in the 50s considering your using R-12 refrigerant and all your hype using three condensers they should be in the mid 30s even @ 120 F ambient LoL . My clients ALL get vent temps in the 30s only using R134A @ 95 ambient, what they get at over 100 I would not know yet


ALL I know is My currently available PFC’s, and which have been made available since 2011 and installed to a very select cliental, even as far back as when I first advertised them on EBay even before I ever posted anything here or started my main thread, that all my matched set PFC's that were professionally installed on 4 separate south Florida 911's ALL using R134A get (verified with witnesses willing to attest from what they have personally seen with their own eyes), vent temps in the 30s @ 95 ambient using only 2 matched new technology PFC condensers installed in the original Porsche factory places!!! I have posted the detailed pictures here and of all these installs and their vent temps etc. I could care less about any naysayers, everything was fully documented with pictures and there are plenty of witnesses;


Personally I think it is ludicrous anyone would haft to use THREE separate condensers to try to get normal A/C VENT TEMPS the cars of today get, and so does every automotive manufacture in the world including Porsche and it is why they all dumped their old technology A/C condenser designs and switched to new technology several years ago ROFLMO, but then again some peoples mindset are only into Model-T heat exchangers hehe whatever floats your boat.



BTW One of My first Pelican DIY'er 911 PFC matched set Tester’s installation is making good progress and they say they will post their results when they are ready

However posted soon will be an installation done by a Pelican DIYer installing a matched set of my PFC’s for his 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera Targa A/C, that started in May when the owner first contacted me offered to pay full price for my PFC’s; but because I had already written but not posted yet at the time on Pelican my the request for a DIY TESTER here, my integrity would HAVE been infringed and to live with myself and to help him I offered to give him the same discounted cost for my testers, and make him my First PFC DIY TESTER. FYI his 86 911 is a bit more of a challenge than an ordinary installation for several reasons and also because some fool cut up his rear deck lid badly poorly with the idiotic stupidity of cutting up the deck lid and installing 2 Fans to try and make them fit DUH! So he had to do some extra rear deck lid sheet metal work which is now done, and I have been in regular contact with him coaching him on doing all the normal 911 A/C tips and tricks that need to be done to the body and to the other A/C components and preparing everything before the PFC installation. He has amazed me being going further than some of the things I personally or a professional Porsche shop would do, but I cannot fault the quality of his work its I believe excellent just far more than I think normally is needed to do a proper installation. Also adding to the challenge for me is he is using reduced barrier hoses supplied by RennAire, that were manufactured for use with their Pro-Cooler and not made for use with my PFC’s. But to save him from tossing OUT his RennAire hoses I have had to take information from custom designed RennAire hoses and to help this owner have them modified to help him make them work, and this added weeks to a very simple install. Anyway when he is finished doing all the things he is doing he will tell you himself. The more I have gotten to know him on this project I am very happy how he is doing the install and modification work.


In my opinion. Regarding anyone using or considering a Pro-Cooler I consider them an unneeded gimmick if you use new technology PFC’s and a waste of money and installation time.

However they kind of sort of work maybe??? <GRIN> if you ONLY have and are using old technology condenser heat exchangers you might gain at most just a couple of degrees possible at most.

However When using one with new technology PFC heat condenser exchangers a Pro-cooler steals wastes refrigerant needlessly in a futile attempt to drop the temperature very little OR WORSE it could or probably cause the evaporator to starve for liquid refrigerant and cause a temp rise in vent temps from the evaporator and take away both the PFC condenser or the evaporator efficiency shooting yourself in the foot going backwards

That is my opinion

Another opinion!
In talking to Stokes Automotive Porsche an over thirty five year old well respected Porsche repair shop, Justin the owner pro-coolers is adamant they are complete junk after installing and testing them on 3 of his clients 911s he removed them and now refuses to install them, and says they do absolutely nothing but needlessly waste of the buyers money and have no value whatsoever. (I at least say they might have a very slight benefit on older technology condensers but I have not tested any like Justin has)


FYI I have been a bit busy of late with installation technical support and not posted anything in this thread for some time or telling anyone publically here what I am working on that is new LoL.

I have several PFC matched sets already premade in reserve in the shop and have for some time ready only needing hose fitting ends welded on them depending on the clients custom hose fitting needs request. If requested although they could be prepared and shipped same day as ordered depending on how busy my custom welder is , it’s better for me to say I want at least about a week from day of order this way if there are a couple of days delay for final custom hosed end welding people will not be upset. So let’s put to bed the lies being promulgated by the BS posters here! I require a 50 percent deposit clear my bank to accept a date of order, I require full balance and shipping costs clear my bank before I will ship, I think this is more than fair at this time, later full cost together including shipping cost will be required before an order is accepted.



On another note I will give a hint to one of several things I am doing related to early model 911 A/C engineering inventions, I believe besides my new 911 A/C SYSTEM I designed and tested last year will end up changing early model 911 A/C SYSTEM history using only one single new technology PFC condenser which from what I have been told is the holy grail for an early model 911 A/C System.

I move slowly and carefully on my own design and engineering schedule and following my legal advisers advice not yours, if you have a problem with this your welcome to go to any of my competitors obsolete technology, I am sure they be more than happy to help you out and take your money

I am committed only into new state of the art technologies! New technologies are like a fine wine that is never ready until its time

And here I was skimming over that last post thinking well I'll be a SOB he has not used "state of the art"!!
Then I get to the last line. I should of known it was a trap.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/pyth.gif

Here is yet more proof that you have feces where your brain should be. You didn't tell me "NO" to anything because I did not ask anything of you! I told you I would be willing to put your bold claims to the test here in burn-ass Texas and you simply did not have adequate scrotal fortitude to rise to that challenge!

Uncle,

He always finds a place to stick it in somewhere...

Skipper, I am not, nor have been using R-12 for years now. Course you in your state might not have picked that up.

Lets see, was it Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler who used to ramble on for hours at a time? Hmm, guessing both...

Have a wonderful voyage, to whichever happy place you visit most often...

Ronnie,

He begged me to try testing his crap, then could not come up with anything to bolt on the car, so I moved on to a PROVEN product. His stuff cannot give anyone the vent temps that Kuehl's stuff can but he does not have anything to beta-test out in the field other than his buddies at the dock!

That doesn't surprise me one bit! And he has the nerve to go around calling others "children and fools"!

IIRC that might be a Mediterranean billionaire's superyacht hot tub , probably good therapy for all the andropausal anger!

I never begged you for ANYTHING, I dont know what your drinking or smoking to make you delusional


But you kept constantly changing what you told me you wanted on a highly custom made non standard non oem dimenstional application for an aftermarket custom body part and I got tired of it and dropped you. You have no one to blame but your self as far as I am concerned

Joe,

Consider yourself lucky...VERY..!

Joe after I canceled your very custom PFC order, I was not going to tell you but just now changed my mind.

The custom made PFC prototypes I made for you but decided not to send you for several reason; later after I canceled your order; I completely reengineered the prototypes and gave them to THIS RSA 911 pictured below, owner as part of a complete A/C system replacement professionally installed by Stokes Automotive over a year ago, after Stokes asked me for engineering help on this very unique RSA’s A/C not getting cold problem they could not properly solve without me.
Waste not want not.



To the reader

This RSA shown gets extremely cold A/C temps since my PFC’s were installed into it, with constant vent temps in the 30s, the RSA owner was so happy with the RSA A/C results finally having a far better than just a solved problem and the quality of the work etc, he has shifted all the mechanical work on several of his different model Porsches to Stokes Automotive from his prior longtime mechanic.

(disclaimer I have absolutely nothing to do with Stokes Automotive’s Porsche business IN ANYWAY! I only use the shop for prototype engineering development work and testing on my inventions, I work completely independently on my own 911 A/C engineering projects, development and solutions there)

Justin Stokes was and is the only Porsche 911 A/C critic that means anything to me, and for the longest time he refused to believe anything I told him, or tried to prove to him in multiple factual ways related to 911 A/C SYSTEMS, until he personally installed and fully tested my PFC’s and other inventions on Porsches he worked on did he change his mind and finally switch to become my biggest promoter, that what I have invented and created for the benefit of 911’s A/C IS TRUE FACT HOW COLD MY NEW TECHNOLOGY IS AND HOW WELL IT WORKS compared to any other early model 911 A/C product!

This RSA is only one example of a few other 911’s that my PFC’s were independently and professionally installed into by Stokes Automotive and they have all been posted with full details here and ALL have 30 degree A/C SYSTEMS. Your welcome to contact Stokes Automotive to verify anything I have said or shown in pictures or claimed regarding proof etc for anything related to Stokes Automotive.

911 RS ICE COLD A/C 30 Degrees Parallel Flow Micro-Channel PFC’s

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I am not going to say much about my discovery and NEW 911 A/C SYSTEM INVENTION I sucessfully tested last year but although this RSA I have already made the A/C pretty darn cold LoL

I plan to to next add my NEW 911 A/C SYSTEM INVENTION to THIS RSA; THEN disconnect the rear PFC I made for it to see if it will sucessfully blow cold enough using ONLY JUST THE FRONT PFC, and I think it just might, but if the current front PFC I made for it does not do it well enough with only only the current front PFC with the front fans you see, I have another new PFC invention under wraps from public information I strongly believe will make early model 911 history for the first A/C system ONLY RUNNING ONE SINGLE A/C new technology condenser and NEW Technology A/C system that IS COLD!

And to the A/C BS noise & dribble makers let me ask you AGAIN FOR NOW THE THIRD TIME that wack off in all the A/C related threads here,

WHO BESIDES ME is actually making any new technology A/C HEAT EXCHANGERS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD FOR EARLY MODEL 911 Porsches ?????????????? I am still waiting for YOUR answer

How many times, and in how many threads, do you plan to post that same set of pictures? Just how effen goofy can you get?

There should be a "No way" button or so and if a certain amount of users clicked on it (let's say 10), the poster should be banned for a while:)

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