ANY A/C DISCUSSION IS DISRUPTED BY ALL OF A/C TROLL SHRILL'S here at Pelican
 

IT IS REALLY SAD THAT EVERY SINGLE TREAD HERE RELATED TO THE SUBJECT OF 911 A/C IS DISRUPTED BY ALL OF A/C TROLL SHRILL'S here at Pelican

GO TAKE A LOOK AT ANY OF THESES THREADS GOING BACK YEARS AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN

ITS REALLY SAD THAT ANYONE WITH ANY REAL 911 A/C KNOWLEDGE EXCEPT Charles Griffiths at GTI TAKES THE TIME POST ANYTHING IN THESE TREADS

Reid,

I think your presentation skills are leading to your problems. It has been, what, 4 years since you started posting? It is not clear if you're trying to start a business or just showing some original ideas. You come across as the kid that got a new football and then when everybody starts playing, gets mad and takes his ball and goes home. Nobody liked that kid.

They are "threads", not "treads".

Stop typing in all caps. It is the equivalent of shouting at people.

If you just want to show you're trying something, fine. Nothing wrong with that. More power to you. I like the box over the front condenser idea.

If you want to sell something, well I don't know if your current method is working too well. You lure more flies with honey than vinegar kind of thing.

Take it for what it's worth...

Hello Reid,

I read your PM. Nowhere did we talk money or sending my car toy your shop of choice (I would not anyways, I'm a DIY'er type).

I'm just REALLY confused what you're trying to do here?

Are you selling, or bragging?

I don't think there will be a lot of bashing this if you go to market and there seems to be interest.

Even if there was, you'd be laughing to the bank.

Either sh !t, or get off the pot! ;) :)

Thanks,
Tippy

This statement is completely false. MANY knowledgeable and experienced folks have posted in these threads and they have the results to back it up.

I for one consider myself a/c knowledgeable and my results, utilizing "outdated/obsolete technology", as you are fond of calling it, speak clearly to this. How does 29 degree Fahrenheit vent temperature, at 30psi low side and 210 psi high side pressures (R134A), with 98 degree and 60+ % humidity ambient, remarkably quick recovery from extended heat soak, and bone chilling performance in even the worst stop & go traffic, sound?

This is accomplished with an OEM Nippodenso compressor, OEM Turbo 1/2 bay tail condenser (tube and fin), OEM nose condenser (tube and fin), serpentine evaporator, serpentine fender condenser with fan in the left rear fender, high side, high/low pressure switch added, GM blower motor with OEM 1987 blower fan installed, heavily insulated evaporator box, great care taken to insulate dash openings from outside air enty, replaced old, degraded a/c ducting, etc., etc. All work performed by me with knowledge gained from experience (reading, hard work & trial and error) and from people who know what they are talking about (including many on the board).

Ya', I have "no real a/c knowledge and" that "outdated/obsolete technology" crapola really sux!

Reid, your new product ideas are interesting, but your repeated, adamant claims that they achieve results which are vastly superior to the a/c garbage that is currently available on the market, are laughable.

I don't think Reid has the first clue about what he's doing. And his poor salesmanship and combative online persona really would give me a very bad feeling if I even considered buying from him. Actually, at the beginning of my AC journey, I did consider buying from him. I even inquired about the products. But I was blown off (like most all his other potential customers), and in my mind, this was a very good thing. I am very pleased to have not purchased anything from Reid. I don't have confidence in his products, and certainly don't have confidence that he'll stand behind them. I would have been happy to test a DIY application, and write detailed DIY instructions with photos (I have done this before on numerous occasions) and help him, except for how he acts online. And if this is the way he acts here, what happens if he has hundreds of dollars of your money? Over a thousand? I know exactly what will happen if I give GTI my money. I have direct experience.

Charlie is one of those rare guys that goes above and beyond. Sells a good product, supports it well, AND shares his expertise (free of charge) on the forum. Where is Reid during the AC season when folks are trying to fix their stuff? I have NEVER seen him even try and help. Even wwest is a better source of DIY info. Not much better, but at least he tries. Why in the heck would I ever give money to Reid for anything?

Reid, you are a liar. If you lie about such a small thing here, in public, what other stuff might you be dishonest about? After all your PM raving about taking legal action, you have the gall to act in the same way yourself? A liar and a hypocrite. Maybe better you go away for another year and formulate a business plan where you are not the company front man. You might actually sell more than one of these systems every two years that way.

^^^ This just had me clutching my sides in laughter-induced pain - thanks! :D

The mind, is indeed, a terrible thing to waste
 

“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
— John F. Kennedy –

As the saying goes, there are more than one way to skin a cat. Too bad all parties can't get together for some collaboration. We might all then be driving Ice Cubes LOL.

New early model 911 a/c cab console controlled display
 

After successfully re=engineering and testing several Early Model 911's A/C's;

I have completed, including completely re-engineering the early model Entire A/C System USING ONLY modern state of the art technology for all of the components and the flow of the gas’s using only R143A.

For quite some time I have been working on a far better way to precisely control the extremely cold in the 30’s F A/C air vent temps, I have been able to constantly get using only TWO of my PFC condensers in the original front and rear OEM places and so my PFE evaporator does not freeze and I now believe I have found the solution

This left only; precise digital microprocessor controlling of all the A/C System components undone!


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NEW EARLY MODEL 911 A/C CAB CONSOLE CONTROLLED DISPLAY

the most ironic thing on the internet today that you would post this

Reid -- This all "sounds" great, but until there is "real world" independent testing, I doubt you're going to get much traction with the skeptics here. I hope you prove everyone wrong, but the only way to do it is to put some units in the field and let people run them through their paces.

Reid,
I am listening.
If you have a modification that replaces the air cooled Porsches' ridiculous air flow levers, I definitely am interested.

I am not looking for traction

Its proven to the owners I have have decided to make things for

ALL ARE VERY HAPPY

I have never done any of this for how much I could make, OR MONEY!

I did it because I got angry at the crap or old technology being sold by those filling their pockets in the early model 911 aftermarket when, I wanted to buy new A/C technology I knew existed for years and works far better for making early model 911's cold, even before my first post here.

Read my very first post here ! July-02-2011, 10:34 PM
It completely is still my mindset from day one and has never changed!

I am sorry for how I come off to some people, it’s not intentional, my mind thinks in analytical logic and is not like normal people, no one is perfect I can’t help it!!


Have a nice Day!

Hello baloo

I have no idea what you mean by what you said?

especally

"air flow levers" ???

my latest post was about a a new digital controller for a/c components that could be used by people who have a CONSOLE near their gear shift or under dash

its not really for people with stock OEM A/C components fyi

Right your analytic thinking process is completely out of line with the other members of a technical form, which regularly features posts showing amazing acts of restoration and mechanical ingenuity.

There are lots of smart and technical people here. Lots of them are annoyed by this thread because you keep telling us how awesome your innovations are. Yet you have shown us no actual innovations. Telling us you are not normal because you are more of a logical thinker than us is the ultimate absurdity.

Packaging a more modern heat exchanger into an old car is a completely straightforward if not trivial task.

What's this I feel on my skin, is it actually the sun heating it? Well that must mean its time once again re-vive the infamous AC threads we have all come to enjoy.

YES

Its always been One Step at a time

I have finally finished doing EVERYTHING I set out todo and proven it to several very happy local clients that are early model 911 OWNERS.

Next is how I decide WHAT market to market to and/or who I might get to market it for me?

For the moment I might make some PFC's for DIY'ers for Testing (not free) If I like them

Sorta makes me glad that you don't like me.

Keep it that way, PLEASE.

Reverse The Gases
 

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Fortunately for ensuing generations, the iconic image of a brilliant idea is not a naked Archimedes, but rather the familiar overhead light bulb, representing the “Eureka Moment” when the fog clears and clarity rushes in.

Why Porsche Early Model 911 Engineer’s or Other People over the decades or all those who tried to improve the Air Conditioning System well known lack of Condenser Surface Area MISSED THIS FACT AMAZES ME!

IF YOU REVERSE THE GAS FLOW NOT ONLY IS THE EARLY MODEL911 A/C SYSTEM TEMPERATURE MUCH COLDER THE ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE DOES NOT appreciably RISE WHEN TURNED ON!

I discovered this 2 years ago when thinking outside the box and tried something crazy on a 911 late at night I was working on, that had been in the back of my mind for a long time and never read or heard anyone anywhere ever did this, and it works better than I could have imagined!

I give this information freely to 911 owners because I care about you and always have from my enjoyment being an early model 911 owner myself for over 25 years!

I am sorry but I am not going to answer questions about this subject now, it should be obvious and you should be able to figure it out for yourself.

I know this simple and true information when applied is going to be a game changer LoL

As you know from reading my posts where you are reading this in my Thread, I have been doing 911 early model aftermarket A/C engineering posts here since Join Date: Jul 2011.

BELIEVE IT OR DON'T, BUT IT IS FACT!

kelogges...I have a 87 carrera in need of a new and/or GREATLY improved a/c system...
please either lmk here or pm me with how to get more info = buy what ever u have to sell...
thx, bob

To the NON TROLLS HERE

This is really important information I have given you as a GIFT!

Look what I am dealing with posting honest and factual information for you, notice any A/C related discussion thread here and it is always the same people with more then a thousand posts that have no life but disruption.

Uh, thanks?

Must be using the front condenser first then going back to the rear cond then finally on to the evap.
Makes some sense to dump the most heat away from the engine, just more hose.

BINGO!!! ganun You win a KEWPIE DOLL AND A GOLD STAR! You were the first to figure this out from the Simple clues I gave

This has never been done by Porsche or anyone else for that matter with this new way

THE gases always went to the rear first than the front
UNTIL I DISCOVERED THIS FLAW AND REVERSAL OF THE GASES

I AM TIRED RIGHT NOW TO PROPERLY FINISH MY CONGRADULATIONS TO YOU BUT I WILL FINISH IT IN THE MORING WHEN I RE-EDIT THIS IN THE MORNING

Believe it or not the hose length is about the same kinda

YES

MAJOR ENGINEERING F UP

and Porsche or anyone else WHO came along since; never did this until I discovered this and re-engineered about 2 years ago as far as I know

I had keep this secret and gave it to a local Porsche shop to use to make money with for the last 2 years! and THEY HAVE!!!

I have had to do a lot of soul searching to release this information to the world instead of keeping it secret

But I have decided to give this information to everyone who is an early model 911 owner as A GIFT from my heart!

I have other early model new technology 911 A/C inventions that are really good and don't really need this one and would rather give it to the worlds 911 Owners

Howdy George,

You used your brain and are the first THAT GOT IT !

THIS SIMPLE RE-ENGINEERING REALLY WORKS FAR BETTER THEN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN LAYOUT, I was amazed how good it worked to say the least

Not Like many fools that are trolls in the thread that only come to be disruptive


REVERSING THE GASES will greatly improve the characteristics of your early model 911 system making it not only colder but also pretty much stop your a/c system from causing oil temperature rise

But also know the old style tube and fine front and rear condensers heat exchangers still suck due to their technology and I doubt even using this reversing of the gases, all though make them work much better, that they would be good enough technology with R134A refrigerant to let your 911 be comfortable in hot Summer as the heat rises?

I make new technology PFC's for 911s, because its the best in the world right now with 30degree A/C systems and for my PFC's reversing the gases the improvement has proven incredible

This guys still around telling everyone how dumb they are and how smart he is!
rediculous.

The last 3 911s I have posted here have this modification done to them but you cant tell from the pictures on purpose

The revised flow should benefit turbo cars with their smaller deck lid cond ..... my Retro kit keeps me cold so no complaints, I did change the oil temp front fender fan temp switch from 245 F to 215F, I'll see during the summer if I have to get a lower set point switch.

Why is that, Reid?

I do custom state of the art design engineering among several other things I keep confidential

Howdy George,

This should work pretty good on all early model 911s including 930s that have OEM A/C because they really suck for several reasons, this is one of them.

But the condensers really suck and always have!!! They were designed by Behr 26 to 30 years ago and for their technology they have always been toooo small for their technology for proper A/C cooling and is also a major 911 design flaw



New Technology IS THE KEY to cold A/C in early model 911's

George I think Retro Air is a rip off company they Dont make any of the products they sell, you can buy the same old technology PFC that does not properly fit your deck lid that are made in china and you can buy for half the cost from

Parallel Flow Condensers - Non Painted | ACKITS.com

Anyway George please don't be mad at me for saying something negative about about your condensers, they probably work ok for you I guess



Oh and I see you live near me in Miami send me your Tel privately here and I will call you and tell you more about reversing the gases

Try it and you will discover what I say is true! What have you got to loose?
 

Regardless of what you might think of me for whatever reason the information I have posted here is true really important information and if reversing the gases is used on an early model 911 it is a game changer for making the a/c system make cold far better than the standard way regardless of the heat exchanger used and for over 35 years everyone has simply had the wrong mind set!

Try it and you will discover what I say is true! What have you got to loose?

Reid Kelly
3/30/2015

1am early Sunday, ‎December ‎02, ‎2012 Reversing the Gases Proof This Invention Works
 

TEST 1am early Sunday, ‎December ‎02, ‎2012 Reversing the Early Model 911 Gases Proof This Invention Works

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This early model 911 I call THE BLACK SWAN gets 37 F degree (reliable average) vent temps @ 95 F degrees Ambient!

(without freezing)

The owner is extremely happy to say the least!

It uses only 0.95 lbs R134A refridgerent

This test was accomplished using a couple of pieces of hose fittings and hose clamps

All the existing hose was only disconnected and left in place until the next day so the shop owner could see how well the test worked

He liked it so well it was completed the next day using the new invention!

Ambient temperatures may or may not be pertinent to the performance of an A/C system.

Tell us the delta "T" (***1) numbers plus blower speed setting(***2) if you want to impress your audience with performance improvements.

The fact that you don't seem to know the importance of that says loads about your expertise with A/C systems.

***1 Evaporator inlet airflow temperature vs outflow temperature.

***2 Include CFM at the center outlet, even better.

LoL

There is no "may not" about it.

Hi Reid,
I have a couple of questions about the Black Swan:
What is the air circulation on the front condenser fan?
It looks like you have two 10 foot hoses in a temporary hookup to reverse the condenser order. Were yo able to route those hoses, and have the function you were looking for?
Thanks,
Dave

Hey, If it works in a Miami summer its a good system even though I did not replace the front cond nor its blower. ( With global warming looming I still have that option for the future. hehehe)
But it is true that the decklid cond , while huge and fit without any issues, at first glance one could think it should be at least a couple of inches longer left to right but then on assembly one realizes the 90 degree hose couplers need clearance to not foul the hinges.
Cheers,
PS there was a large P car spring picnic at C.B.Smith park this Sunday and we had a small group of us Retro owners discussing our systems and helping others that were in the process of purchasing or installing. It was great, you should have gone.