I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear

[Mitch Leland]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

get a Kuehl front condenser and call it a day. Quality is second to none... less than $300.

+1... Plus, Griff stands behind his products.

[Josh D]

Originally Posted by Mitch Leland

+1... Plus, Griff stands behind his products.

That's the plan. I have about 6 more weeks of ridiculous heat and then I can focus on things like getting the duck tail painted, drop/clean/seal engine, and a few other projects. Anymore A/C work will be done next spring.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

This picture is a new front and rear PFC matched set I just finished, I made this picture yesterday

The picture and condensors in the photo look nice but the important part is, when will you have any to SHIP in quanities more than one or two?

You and I have done a lot of private emails and last one I remember I was going to do some "Beta testing" for you to see how the product works here in the hottest state in the country. BTW last week we set records three days in a row, 113-116 for a high temp and the lows that evening/next morning were never below 93, so we never cooled down. Would have been the perfect time to show how well the system worked but...

I finally gave up and ordered a new front condensor and evap unit (along with the upgraded fan) from Griffiths because his parts were available TODAY. This was back in June and temps here in Arizona were getting high and I simply could not wait another 2-4 months for parts. I needed to drive the car, not wait while parts were still "being worked on" and not available.

This thread started 15 months ago and we are still not seeing new PFC units being shipped out from the original poster on a regular basis. I still need a rear condensor (am using the stock 1985 model right now and its working, just not great) but how long is this going to take?

Reid, please, either lets get some of these better condensors out for the guys in the field who need them or stop stringing us along. We need "parts in hand today" and not "look what I just built" while having only one or two units to show to everyone. We have almost 600 posts and almost 34,000 views on this thread and 15 months later and not one person out in the field that has posted here saying how great the new condensors are...

Joe A

[brads911sc]

He isn't selling anything. Remember? LOL

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

He isn't selling anything. Remember? LOL

DOH; I DID NOT MEET JOE HERE WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT BEFORE I EVER POSTED ANYTHING HERE AT PELICAN!!!

Brad find someplace else to be stupid and disrespectful with your BS

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

DOH; I DID NOT MEET JOE HERE WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT BEFORE I EVER POSTED ANYTHING HERE AT PELICAN!!!

You say that like it means something.

Joe's point applies to the wider audience. If you and Joe have business going on, then why don't you take it off PP so that the business can't be commented upon by folks who might happen by the thread? You realize that this is a public forum and anyone can post, right?

[rolls 912]

Should get an existing manufacturer to produce them. All the relevant info is in this post. Would be fairly straight forward IMO.

[scottb]

Reid: At some point, you have to put up or shut up. It's been well over a year that you've been touting your product, and now two summers have gone by yet there are no condensers in the field. My suggestion is to get some units out in the field within the next few months so they can be given "real world" testing. At that point, the benefits you tout will either be proven or disproven. And, given the time of year, you might have to ship some down to Australia to take advantage of the upcoming summer there.

Enough talk. Let's see if the condensers live up to the hype!

[khamul02]

Originally Posted by rolls 912

Should get an existing manufacturer to produce them. All the relevant info is in this post. Would be fairly straight forward IMO.

I think there might be some legal issues there. I like the rest of you am getting a bit tired of waiting for these. I think I will end up going with retroair at least they offer a multi-flow condenser.


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[brads911sc]

You are right Reid. I think Ill go drive my car with my 40 degree vent temps in my 95 degree ambients with my Keuhl high quality griffiths components installed... while everyone else waits two years for you to decide if you are selling something...

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Brad find someplace else to be stupid and disrespectful with your BS

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by scottb

Reid: At some point, you have to put up or shut up. It's been well over a year that you've been touting your product, and now two summers have gone by yet there are no condensers in the field. My suggestion is to get some units out in the field within the next few months so they can be given "real world" testing. At that point, the benefits you tout will either be proven or disproven. And, given the time of year, you might have to ship some down to Australia to take advantage of the upcoming summer there.

Enough talk. Let's see if the condensers live up to the hype!

Scott,

Totally agree! I talked with Reid about "beta testing" his condensors and was ready for a long time, yet could never get anything "in my hands." Granted I travel for a living and so does he but over this amount of time something could have been sent out so I could have given it a "desert try-out" for him.

Finally gave up and got a Griffiths front condensor and evap unit in June just to survive the summer.

Here we are in the LAST week of August and still nothing in our hands to try or test. Bolting the stuff on one or two car's in Florida is a start, but he needs to get several units out around the country so that owners can report back.

On the other hand, if he is really not looking to sell them they why spend the time and trouble making these early units? For his or friends cars... ok but say so and tell everyone so that we can buy something that is available NOW so that we can drive the cars during summer.

[brads911sc]

Well Said.

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Scott,

Totally agree! I talked with Reid about "beta testing" his condensors and was ready for a long time, yet could never get anything "in my hands." Granted I travel for a living and so does he but over this amount of time something could have been sent out so I could have given it a "desert try-out" for him.

Finally gave up and got a Griffiths front condensor and evap unit in June just to survive the summer.

Here we are in the LAST week of August and still nothing in our hands to try or test. Bolting the stuff on one or two car's in Florida is a start, but he needs to get several units out around the country so that owners can report back.

On the other hand, if he is really not looking to sell them they why spend the time and trouble making these early units? For his or friends cars... ok but say so and tell everyone so that we can buy something that is available NOW so that we can drive the cars during summer.

[Neel]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

You are right Reid. I think Ill go drive my car with my 40 degree vent temps in my 95 degree ambients with my Keuhl high quality griffiths components installed... while everyone else waits two years for you to decide if you are selling something...

+1
There's an old saying:"Put up or shut up". Obviously, Reid, you're doing neither......

[khamul02]

In the end ... he is trying to benefit us

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by khamul02

In the end ... he is trying to benefit us

To tell the truth, I really wish that he would help us, but with all the smoke going around and never any product for anyone to test, its difficult to say.

Reid, please send some of the condensors to someone to try out and give everyone some feedback....

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by khamul02

In the end ... he is trying to benefit us

I don't know if he actually is trying to benefit "us". There are current solutions - and they can be all-in-one solutions so you don't have to shop at five different places to get what you need.

GTI sells good stuff, ships quickly and gives great customer service. Today.

Reid? I think this is all a big market study. He's trying to figure out if he can actually make these and sell at a profit, while doing some salesmanship on PP.

[brads911sc]

even snake oil can be sold if its available. Reid may be onto something potentially good. but he is a terrible business man and continues to shoot himself in the foot over and over. doubt whether 95% of those that initially expressed interest would still be interested today, myself included. if anything he helped his competitors...

[speedman]

I have been following this tread and hoping to get some information on the condensors. Can anyone answer the following questions:
1) Does this condensor remove more heat than one from a company like Rennaire or Griffith's
2) Is the freon flow cooler when it leaves this condensor than one sold by other companies
3) If the answer is yes to either above question then how much more effiecent is this condensor
4) How much will the extra heat rejection cost
I want to make the AC in my 79 as effiecent as possible and if these condensors are going to do that I would like purchase them.

[speedman]

Is there a reason that other people are not building these since there is nothing I can see that is patentable here. Parallel flow micro channel radiators have been around for many years. I use them in battery packs and motors for our vehicle applications

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by speedman

I have been following this tread and hoping to get some information on the condensors. Can anyone answer the following questions:
1) Does this condensor remove more heat than one from a company like Rennaire or Griffith's
2) Is the freon flow cooler when it leaves this condensor than one sold by other companies
3) If the answer is yes to either above question then how much more effiecent is this condensor
4) How much will the extra heat rejection cost
I want to make the AC in my 79 as effiecent as possible and if these condensors are going to do that I would like purchase them.

If you're looking for hard numbers, you won't get any.

If you want cold AC, and you want it fast, call Charlie Griffiths. He'll get together a package that will work for you. The whole package, not just bits and pieces.

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