Suitable substitute for front condenser fan

[Brorag]

while redoing the suspension on my car, I replaced the front A/C condenser. The fan was unplugged (red flag). I plugged it in and F2 started heating up. Don't know if there's a connection or if my running the interior fans caused F2 heating. From what I've read, the front condenser fan may not be fused.

After finishing the suspension, I removed the fan and found that it had seized. Ordered fan, it arrived, and I installed it as follows:

removed:
fan sits as orientated, in front trunk, beside battery and behind bumper.



1. remove from car

2. remove old fan and cut off the portion of the plastic housing that held the fan

3. sand the duct flat where the fan had been mounted.

4. get one of these a your local hardware store:



5. drill three holes to accomodate the fan, and sandwich the housing between the fan and the plate:




6. combine the two halves of plastic ducting, and mark the positions of the motor and fan on the motor shaft:


7.reassemble housing halves with old clips:




8. test assy before install: I used 12v battery charger--red lead positive:

• fan should discharge air from widest portion of duct
• fan cage whould not rub on housing

9. when your sure off wiring orientation, rewire plug from old fan to new one, using in-line fuse from host or local auto store. Use 8 amp fuse.

10. Reinstall fan assy using foam tape to seal fan assy intake and output.

[wwest]

Lots of trouble considering the Option.

the front blower/fan is horribly inefficient considering the power draw and the restricted CSA of the front condensor it blows air over.

(TWO) 9" BLUE SLIM CAR RADIATOR COOLING FANS+MOUNT KITS | eBay

Use 2 of these to force downward airflow over the rear condensor when the compressor clutch is engaged and you can probably discard the front blower and maybe even the front condensor.

[Brorag]

I've been asked via priveate e-mail which motor I used, but could not sort out how to send a private pic, so here goes:




Permanent Magnet TENV Motor 1/35HP 2350RPM Armature 12 Volts DC Ametek Electric Motor Model CCC-0038
[CCC038]

Continuous Duty; self-aligning sleeve bearings; Rotation = Reversible; Replaces Dayton 2M197, 2M272, 1LWK8, 3LCH7. Broan 99080192


•3.80 amps @ 12 Volts DC; Thermal Protection = None
•1/2 Inch Long Studs, 2 5/16 Inches on Center
•Body Diameter 3.2", Body Length 4 7/8", shaft 1/4" x 1"
•TENV - Totally Enclosed Non-Ventilated
•Replaces Dayton 2M197, M272, 1LWK8, 3LCH7

...............make sure you have an in-line fuse installed.
Good luck,
JD

p.s., it's still running...................




I think I bought it here:

http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/Dayton/2M197.htm
Toll Free 1-877-986-6867
Burton, Michigan USA 48529

Ametek
12 Volt DC Electric Motors
Permanent Magnet • TENV • Continuous Duty
1/35hp • 2350RPM • self-aligning sleeve bearings • Rotation = Reversible
Body Diameter = 3.2" • Overall Length = 4 7/8"
Mounting studs: " long, 2 5/16" on center
Shaft: 1/4" x 1" (flat on shaft extends downward 1/2")

Catalog #
Description

CCC038 12 Volts DC
3.80 amps
Broan # 99080192
Fits Dayton Model 2C647
Ametek CCC-003
old # 2M197
2M272
1LWK8
3LCH7
ship weight 3 lbs. $43.95

BTW, I also did WWest's suggestion and mounted fans in the spoiler above the rear coils; the combo has resulted in cold air in car. Link here.
Rear A/C condenser in spoiler tail

[brads911sc]

What about engine temps in the 90+ degree ambients in the Carolinas. I would rather have a better front condenser performance and a fender condenser than more heat in the engine bay.

Also what about those without a tail? Does it push the condenser down away from the deck?

Originally Posted by wwest

Lots of trouble considering the Option.

the front blower/fan is horribly inefficient considering the power draw and the restricted CSA of the front condensor it blows air over.

(TWO) 9" BLUE SLIM CAR RADIATOR COOLING FANS+MOUNT KITS | eBay

Use 2 of these to force downward airflow over the rear condensor when the compressor clutch is engaged and you can probably discard the front blower and maybe even the front condensor.

[brads911sc]

Interesting.

In the detail it says it spins at 2350 RPM's. Do you know how this compares to the stock fan?

[brads911sc]

The stock fan is twice the RPM's. So I would disagree. This is NOT a suitable replacement. You are making a weak area weaker.

[Benny771]

I cant believe this is so difficult ?
There has to be a direct bolt -on replacement that works ??

[JAR0023]

Originally Posted by Benny771

I cant believe this is so difficult ?
There has to be a direct bolt -on replacement that works ??

There is a direct bolt in. Footwell blower motors are direct fit replacement and spin faster.

J

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[Benny771]

Is it a noticable improvement ??