ER Polybroze just started squeaking after 4 months,normal?

[island911]

Originally Posted by onboost

And this my friends is what is known as customer service!!

Thx Chuck

Blaming the customer in a public forum, is now considered good customer service? --Weird.

Seems that Chuck want's no one talking freely/openly about product problems.

The OP isn't the first with this problem, nor will he be the last. Metal on metal bushings, with an open design, relying on grease ... yikes.

1924 called; they want their grease gun back.

[911 Rod]

Not sure if it helps but I grease mine in the air and on the ground. I figure this way it should reduce both loads and accept grease.

[safe]

I've had my PB for 8-9 years now, no squeaking.
But I will disassemble the rear for the first time now this Christmas, changing torsion bars, will be interesting to see how they look!

[Craig_D]

Originally Posted by island911

Blaming the customer in a public forum, is now considered good customer service? --Weird.

Seems that Chuck want's no one talking freely/openly about product problems.

The OP isn't the first with this problem, nor will he be the last. Metal on metal bushings, with an open design, relying on grease ... yikes.

1924 called; they want their grease gun back.

I think onboost was referencing this: "If you need more help, feel free to call or email me directly."

Sounds good to me, along with pointing out what could be the problem.

Just a thought.

[jittsl]

Myself and my partner have dealt with Chuck many times and We find him a gentleman and his products are always perfect if utilized as designed. I love ER poly bronze bushes and find them a great improvement over the vulcanized rubber bushes. They allow for a much freer movement of the swing arms and I actually think they improve the ride.

Island911, I would be almost certain that you have some personal grudge with Chuck (I'm sure caused by some product issue) but I think your attack on Chuck (in this example) is completely unwarranted. I just read his post again and I cannot read it they way you did. That's my 2c but I would never stop anyone from expressing theirs. Can only relay MY experience and interpret MY way. RelaX

[juanbenae]

if you push the pedal on the right hard enough the squeaking goes away......

I do not have the rears, but what I have noticed is that when I grease the fronts it seems like all of the grease blows out just adjacent to the zirk fitting between the two wear surfaces. I have spoken with chuck about this and he assures me the grease is making it around the races completely. I'd feel better about it if the grease day lighted somewhere other than right where is was introduced. I recognize the volume of the races does not require much grease, but still it seems to me that it all squirts out way too promptly. I will never know until I take them apart some day, or they noticeably start to bind, but 8 years in they have not.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by jittsl

Island911, I would be almost certain that you have some personal grudge with Chuck RelaX

island has a grudge against the human race in general, chuck's not special....

[jittsl]

Originally Posted by car 311

island has a grudge against the human race in general, chuck's not special....

:-)

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by car 311

island has a grudge against the human race in general

Well, except for a couple of his like-minded "thinkers" in PARF!

[McLaren-TAG]

It takes about 3 or 4 squeezes of the grease gun before I start seeing the old grease ooze out so the new grease is going somewhere.

I got mine fitted in March and have greased them twice since with about 1200 miles driven. No squeaks.

[Quicksilver]

Rain does make a squeaky difference with mine. I just hit them with a gun and we are back in business.

[island911]

Originally Posted by jittsl

...
Island911, I would be almost certain that you have some personal grudge with Chuck (I'm sure caused by some product issue) but I think your attack on Chuck (in this example) is completely unwarranted. I just read his post again and I cannot read it they way you did. That's my 2c but I would never stop anyone from expressing theirs. Can only relay MY experience and interpret MY way. RelaX

Originally Posted by car 311

island has a grudge against the human race in general, chuck's not special....

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

Well, except for a couple of his like-minded "thinkers" in PARF!

Ah geez..

Look, I like chuck. We share much of the same political alignment. (since some of you-coughRonniecouch- want to bring PARF into this.)and he's an impressive salesman.

BUT this one product of his - it is fraught with potential problems (surface finish, machining tolerance, distortions due to fitment...) And yet his response to a squeak peep is; you're doing it wrong. (yay for customer service)

PS I rarely chime in on these technical threads, mostly because I can't stand the idiots who have to make technical responses personal. In this case, a fellow pelican brought this thread to my attention, expecting to elicit a comment. My bad. I'll try to let you sensitive men stroke each other over the high technology of a greased bushing ...while also berating anyone who has an issue with them. --because clearly, that guy must be doing it all wrong. -because, you know, chuck is a nice guy. - technically speaking

[jittsl]

I think you just made it personal by referring to me as an idiot!

As to your "technical response", read your own post again. You ***** about Chuck's customer service and then make vague reference to old world design - Gee thanks for you're wonderful input. Go f... yourself (said the sensitive guy).

[island911]

Originally Posted by jittsl

I think you just made it personal by referring to me as an idiot!

As to your "technical response", read your own post again. You ***** about Chuck's customer service and then make vague reference to old world design - Gee thanks for you're wonderful input. Go f... yourself (said the sensitive guy).

way to bolster my point.

Hey man, What happened to all that talk about needing to RelaX? Or is that just something you say when you want to paint another as uptight? You know, a petulant lil jab.

btw, I didn't make a vague reference to old world design. My reference was on point, and with specificity to the linked 1924 patent. --nothing vague about that.

Oh, and I did not just make it personal by referring to you as an idiot. Rather it was you and Toby making it personal, yucking it up, with nothing to add but ad hominem. -nothing.

[jittsl]

Island, please try to enjoy your life. I got nothing else to say to you.

[McLaren-TAG]

come now boys... you're making me wish I had squeaky bushings so I wouldn't have to hear this crap.

let's get back on topic shall we?

EDIT: OH and one more thing, the Turbo Charger was patented back in 1885!

[Craig_D]

When I was installing my spring plate ER poly bronze, I spent a lot of time prepping the torsion tube holes and the surfaces to make sure I'd be able to get the proper alignment. I also paid special attention to the spacing, as the instructions said. I figured that since there wasn't going to be any rubber to make up for slight misalignment, that I better do it well.

During my build I had many conversations with Chuck and he was really helpful and made sure I was aware of the little details that count, which I outlined in my rebuild thread

Specifically, here's the work on the spring plates and torsion tube holes.

And more finishing work to mount the Poly Bronze properly HERE

When installing the spring plate covers, I used the washers to space them out, per the instructions, so that there was a little space between the inner and outer Poly Bronze bushings.

I've been running them for two years, many canyon runs and some track time and haven't had a sound. I shoot some synthetic grease in there about every four months so that I know there's always fresh stuff inside.

Hopefully, the OP can fix the problem with a little more space between the inner and outer bushings.

Cheers,

- Craig_D

[moneymanager]

Thanks for getting back to the topic.
Craig D... have read your thread several times. Very helpful. I think we did everything you did re fitting. Just to be sure about the spacers, I added 4 washers/spacers to each side to see if this would change or fix my noise. Didn't do a damned thing! Next on my check list: the differential and the hand brake(s.)

[911 Rod]

Are you sure this is where the squeaking is coming from? If you have everything coated with grease it shouldn't squeak. at first anyway.

[onboost]

Originally Posted by Craig_D

I think onboost was referencing this: "If you need more help, feel free to call or email me directly."

Sounds good to me, along with pointing out what could be the problem.

Just a thought.

Exactly.. Thanks!