Would any one know where to obtain lug nuts like those used by "Singer"?

[911dean]

Texas | Singer Vehicle Design

Thanks,
Dean

[TRE Cup]

from the pics, on their site, they look like gold zinc treated oe steel lug nuts

[911dean]

Originally Posted by TRE Cup

from the pics, on their site, they look like gold zinc treated oe steel lug nuts

Thanks for the input!
Would the steel lug nuts used for a Fuchs wheel be different than a conventional wheel?

[TRE Cup]

no they are the same
FWIW the Porsche Owners Club requires swapping out the alloy lug nuts for steel ones when competing on the track.

[winders]

From the web site:

"The wheels can be ordered with either closed black anodized aluminum lug nuts or with extended wheel studs and open brass plated aluminum lug nuts at no extra charge."

Scott

[911dean]

Originally Posted by winders

From the web site:

"The wheels can be ordered with either closed black anodized aluminum lug nuts or with extended wheel studs and open brass plated aluminum lug nuts at no extra charge."

Scott

Thanks! I didn't think to look at their option list. I just like the look.
Would you know where to get these lug nuts?

Dean

[chris_seven]

There is a small issue with using the T4 VW Open wheel nut with a Fuchs Alloy and this is due to the depth of the bevelled seat.

The steel wheel that this lug nut is designed for a steel wheel which has a shallower domed seat than the Fuchs.

If you fit wheels with an air wrench - common practice in UK Tyre Shops- then the socket can damage the wheel as the dome on the nut doesn't prevent contact between the end of the socket and the wheel. The standard Aluminium wheel nut prevents any contact due to the depth of the dome.

'Brass Plating' a T4 Nut doesn't stop this from happening.

We recently manufactured a batch of 6AL4V Grade 5 Titanium Lug Nuts and 'Gold Nitirided' them so they produce a hard wear resistant 'yellow' finish and will be corrosion resistant.

They are a closed design and protect the stud and the wheel.



We also made some Grade 5 Titanium 'Open' Nuts with the same dome size as the Aluminium wheel nut so they prevent a socket from hitting the wheel.

We left these a natural finish but could Gold Nitride if there was enough interest.

[McLaren-TAG]

Rennline sells black ones, picked mine up at the Hershey swap meet at 'show discount prices'

[Tom F2]

Isn't the real reason for aluminum lug nuts that the fuchs wheels do not have a steel insert where the lug nut seats? The aluminum is used to protect the seating surface from wear and galvanic corrosion, I think. So, steel may be the thing to use on the track, but for street use, it's best to stay with the aluminum nuts.

[911dean]

There is a small issue with using the T4 VW Open wheel nut with a Fuchs Alloy and this is due to the depth of the bevelled seat.



The steel wheel that this lug nut is designed for a steel wheel which has a shallower domed seat than the Fuchs.



If you fit wheels with an air wrench - common practice in UK Tyre Shops- then the socket can damage the wheel as the dome on the nut doesn't prevent contact between the end of the socket and the wheel. The standard Aluminium wheel nut prevents any contact due to the depth of the dome.



'Brass Plating' a T4 Nut doesn't stop this from happening.



We recently manufactured a batch of 6AL4V Grade 5 Titanium Lug Nuts and 'Gold Nitirided' them so they produce a hard wear resistant 'yellow' finish and will be corrosion resistant.



They are a closed design and protect the stud and the wheel.







We also made some Grade 5 Titanium 'Open' Nuts with the same dome size as the Aluminium wheel nut so they prevent a socket from hitting the wheel.



We left these a natural finish but could Gold Nitride if there was enough interest.

I like the raw titanium open lug nut. Are these available ?
Dean

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by 911dean

I like the raw titanium open lug nut. Are these available ?
Dean

I agree with Dean. They are nice. I know, I know - if you have to ask...

But I will. How much for a set of twenty, and lead time?

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by Tom F2

Isn't the real reason for aluminum lug nuts that the fuchs wheels do not have a steel insert where the lug nut seats? The aluminum is used to protect the seating surface from wear and galvanic corrosion, I think. So, steel may be the thing to use on the track, but for street use, it's best to stay with the aluminum nuts.

Maybe, but almost every alloy wheel on the market is secured by steel lug nuts by the maker...no issues with longevity.

[JimmyT]

Lug Nut, Titanium, Grade 5 (6AL-4V)
900.182.001.80



Finish is 'As machined' (in middle & on right) or glass bead blasted (on left).

Factory aluminum alloy nuts, 999.182.003.36, PCNA 2013: $15.86 each

These are $9.99 each for sets of 20.
They ship immediately for $6.00 total shipping charges.

[GeorgeK]

JimmyT and Chris Seven
Do you actually sell these?

[KTL]

JimmyT makes some fantastico stuff. No worries about sourcing goodies from him!

edit.... Send Jim a message & he'll share with you the machinable bits he makes. Some very nice race & resto parts.

I have to ask though, why does TRG recommend them for street use only?

http://store.trgparts.com/lug-nut-titanium-each-p7418.aspx

[msterling]

Originally Posted by KTL

JimmyT makes some fantastico stuff. No worries about sourcing goodies from him!

edit.... Send Jim a message & he'll share with you the machinable bits he makes. Some very nice race & resto parts.

I have to ask though, why does TRG recommend them for street use only?

http://store.trgparts.com/lug-nut-titanium-each-p7418.aspx

The reason is right there in the description " Recommended for street use only. These tend to gall the stud threads when performing fast wheel changes. Not recommended for track use. Weighs 1.10 oz each"

Titanium doesn't always play well with other metals.

This place sells pink and yellow steel lugnuts that the NASCAR boys like to use. I think they have phosphate coated versions too.

[McLaren-TAG]

Originally Posted by KTL

JimmyT makes some fantastico stuff. No worries about sourcing goodies from him!

edit.... Send Jim a message & he'll share with you the machinable bits he makes. Some very nice race & resto parts.

I have to ask though, why does TRG recommend them for street use only?

http://store.trgparts.com/lug-nut-titanium-each-p7418.aspx

perhaps this has something to do with it?
"These tend to gall the stud threads when performing fast wheel changes."

[JimmyT]

GeorgeK:
Yes.


KTL, msterling, McLaren-TAG:
I'm not sure about TRG's comments. What I do have is personal knowledge of street use for > 10 years & vintage racers > 1.5 years without problems. I do recommend Permatex Nickel Anti-Seize Lubricant #77124 which is usually present in most FLAPS.

[KTL]

Thanks for the feedback. I did read that and I should have been more specific. I was aware Ti doesn't always sit well with other metals. I use antiseize on my wheel studs so I didn't think it'd be a problem. But figured i'd ask for others' experience with Ti usage in somewhat high torque applications.

Also have seen the MSI stuff. They make nice studs and a bazillion lug nuts. I did notice their lug of choice is coated for consistent torque & visual aid. But those NASCAR guns are like nothing we know. They zip nuts faster than lightning. So I could see why they wouldn't use Ti.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

JimmyT and Chris Seven
Do you actually sell these?

Chris_Seven does sell them, and you can get them cheaper than what JimmyT sells them for. BUT, if you want them bead-blasted, JimmyT is the only game in town.

At $10 per, and 20 lugs per car, and $6 shipping, I count that at US$205.80 For Ti lug nuts from JimmyT.

I use Al-based AS, Permetex brand, and it goes both on the studs and the seat. Ti is fairly non-reactive, and if the wheel is anodized, Al-Ti electolysis would be tough, due to the aluminum oxide anodize layer.