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Looks like a combination of grinding marks and impact damage. As far as rebuild goes, post a callout to european pelicans for shop recommendations. If i could afford the rebuild i wanted, which is still fairly modest, i would do 3.2SS,with PMO carbs and whatever cam grind best suited for that setup. Maybe PMO's EFI setup if i had More knowledge on such things.
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I am inclined to keep the CIS, don't want to go overboard.. especially that I'm spending quite a bit on new fuel lines, new oil lines and cooler (Elephant Racing), etc.. Maybe the next stage.. I'm going to start putting my shopping list together now.. If you had to set a budget for a new rebuild, what would you ideally be looking at? |
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Just check to make sure there aren't any burrs that could break loose later,other than that it looks ok to me. Search 3.2ss or ss3.2 for alot of info on variety of intake options. Did you even mention going 3.2 or is that me just projecting? If staying 3.0 i think cams, distributor recurve, CIS and headers(guessing you'll pass on heat exchangers) would be best $$ spent. Keep in mind that all my input info was garnered here on pelican, and there are many people here with actual experience with these matters. I'd Start a separate thread asking for options.
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It's a bit of a mess but I'll get through it.. all guidance says I will need to replace my alusil cylinders so I'm looking at taking the leap to 3.2.. |
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Edit: Here it is: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/137346-re-ring-alusils.html |
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Do you recommend any machine shops in Germany that I can ship my stuff to? I was in Dusseldorf a couple of months ago and visited a few places but I didn't take down any details :( |
Looks like you had some cylinder leakage at cyl. #3, due to all the crud around that area of the case. Maybe when the studs were replaced, that cyl. was not sufficiently tight. If you have all steel studs, your engine has been serviced above the case at some point. The SC engine originally came with steel upper, dilavar lower studs.
Case looks REALLY clean inside which is nice to see. Bearings look to be in good condition from a far distance. I wouldn't bother taking apart the cam towers down to the bear minimum. Only need to remove the rockers & shafts and the camshafts for a thorough inspection & cleaning. For peace of mind you can pull out the aluminum end plugs and run a nylon brush thru the spray bars to clean out any crud in there. Also inspect the oiling holes by fishing some stiff wire thru each hole. NO reason to fully remove the spraybar if you do not truly need to do that. |
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So you don't think I should consider replacing the valve springs, etc? I'm considering sending my heads for proper inspection and machine work to the US but it'll cost me dearly, so I want to make sure I get full benefit |
Porsche original valve springs are really good but nothing lasts forever. They had some problems with broken valve springs in a small number of SCs but otherwise they have been great. So, no, I don't think replacing the springs is an absolute must. Especially not on a stock engine refresh.
Well the case should take some effort to pop it open. I don't see much of any orange Loctite 574 sealant on either of your case halves. Did you already clean the residue off or is it pictured exactly how it came apart? If there's no signs of orange sealant, someone has previously opened the engine case. And those marks inside the case would lead me to believe someone has been inside it before. If you send them to G2 Performance in Michigan (cgarr here on the forums) he can do all the assembly work on the heads. So you don't need to disassemble them. |
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I got some stuff in the mail.. it seems the cart arrived before the horse http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psdfqa0xeh.jpg |
Understood on the history. But if there was no sealant used, the case parting line would be extremely leaky. I don't know what was used to seal it, but it must have been VERY thin!
If you want to get new valve springs, that's understandable. Porsche factory valve springs are really good springs so do not hesitate to get new OEM Porsche springs. What is the black Permatex sealant going to be used for? I would recommend against using it to seal the case thru bolts like shown in the 911 Engine Rebuild book. That is a very messy/sloppy way to seal the thru-bolt o-rings and captive washers. The best way to ensure the o-rings seal is to make sure the o-rings have enough room under the captive washer and are not crushed by it when the bolt is tightened. There is a massive debate that went on not long ago about how to seal the thru-bolts properly. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/452985-your-opinion-wanted-green-bolt-through-viton-o-rings-rtv.html I'm of the opinion that the correct o-ring (green type) lubricated with special grease, oil, DowCorning 112 paste (or similar silicone paste) or whatever lubricant you choose, and a slight countersink in the case thru-bolt holes is the right way to make sure those o-rings are not damaged and seal properly |
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The case was pretty leaky, that is a primary reason why I decided to do a full teardown. I bought all the items on the shopping list as per Engine Rebuild book. I will go through that thread and make sure to do it in the best way possible, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! I dropped a PM to cgarr and he came back to me with some good advice. I will know more this weekend once I remove the rockers, shafts and camshafts for inspection. Will post more pictures soon. |
OK - rockers removed, heads separated, camshafts out, and rods removed.
Now, lets play "Normal or Not", starting with the obvious one http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psasnmrbqb.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psikokqi0b.jpg Not sure where that piece of plastic came from! http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps7se5izny.jpg Now, rod bearings http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps3os0lnuq.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps9wuuolvj.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psxqakwmre.jpg Camshaft http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psjno17uqj.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psfodypq5d.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psrnb7e7nq.jpg |
Heads
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psy3gvye3i.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...pszgm1tiio.jpg For the Cyl 4,5,6 heads, one of each exhaust stud has white material on it http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psfko5bilw.jpg Despite the rod bearings, the crankshaft looked OK http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...pszig2dgpc.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psfihv9r7x.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...pstdieokcx.jpg |
and one thing I found strange. While all the rocker bolts I removed were lubricated, the cyl 4 intake side bolt was rusted and dry
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Just weighed my rods, they were (in grams), 745, 745, 740, 744, 745, 744. 5 grams off the 3rd one, which had the worst bearing pictures above. Should I be concerned?
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Those rod bearings are a mess. The crankshaft may look good by eye but run your fingernail across the surfaces. If you can feel ridges with your fingernail, the crank needs to be polished.
The rocker shaft bolts were lubricated because the rocker shafts were not sealing well in the cam housing. They all should be dry. The camshafts are pitted likely from using oil with not enough extreme pressure additives (zinc/ZDDP) but luckily they can be reground. Dougherty Racing in CA can regrind them for you to stock SC or 964 specs. 964 is a very good choice for rebuilding an SC engine. No surprises really in the combustion chambers or ports. Pretty common for valve guides needing replacement. They don't look bad so they might have been replaced previously, as evidenced by the head studs being all steel instead of half being dilavar. The weights of your rods are OK. The Porsche specs says the max variation in a set should be no more than 8 or 9 grams (going by memory here) so you're OK. |
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I spoke to Dougherty and will hopefully get the cams reground to 964 specs. If shipping isn't reasonable then I'll just buy a new set. Strange about the rocker bolts.. instead of 1 being the problem, it turns out all were the problem except 1.. I'm sending the rockers out for inspection as well.. So, now that everything is apart, what should I have done to all these parts to make sure I have many happy miles? Plan is to send the heads and rockers to a reputed machine shop, camshafts to Dougherty (maybe), and keeping my rods but ordering new rod bolts. |
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