Ronknees a lot of things... But a liar??? Come on dude.

^^^^ Ha! Hilarious - bet some of the folks here in the "non-turbo-911" forum are wondering about that "Ronknees" reference!

And watch it, bro, or I just might assemble a "party kit" picture post with your name on it . . . instead of Paul's!!! :D

LOL! Back to the regularly scheduled broadcast...

I agree that the pictures are not staged.

But they do represent a practical impossibility.

Would you put a glass water in your freezer and expect it not to freeze...?

Yes, your freezer produces a lot more COLD but the physics are the same.

It might take a long time but on a hot and humid day such as is often encountered in your area an evaporator operating at sub-freezing levels WILL FREEZE UP!

There is a solution, one that most heat pumps operating in space heating mode use.

They use 2 heat sensing elements. One of those elements(A) is located nearest to the point on the EVAPORATER/(condenser) that is expected to freeze initially, near the TXV outlet, say. The other(B) is located mid-point in the EVAPORATOR/(condenser).

As the EVAPORATOR/(condenser) CHILLS both sensors will indicate a declining temperature.

Ice will act as a insulate, so, once the sensor near the inlet(A) stops falling in temperature vs the mid-point sensor, ice has begun to form around and the EVAPORATOR/(condenser) must be put through a reverse cycle, DEFROST the EVAPORATOR/(condenser).

If you even have a chance to see one in operation, during the relatively brief reverse/defrost cycle, it looks as if the heat pump has caught fire, heavy plumes of vapor rising into he air.

This is what bothers me about Charlie's refrigerant charge method, change to get the lowest possible vent temps, oftentimes sub-freezing temperatures.

But.

That would mean that the thermostatic control switch MUST be tightly calibrated. Calibrated such that on the average evaporator operating temperature must be above 32dF.

So now you have a significantly undercharged system that is not fully capable of combating a full heat load.

Yes, PERFECT, indeed.

You could squelch me by simply supplying before and after data indicating your reverse flow technique yields an improvement in our factory A/C performance.

You keep suggesting that some interested DIY'er try it in order to prove YOU correct.

But most DIY'er are bright enough to see the illogic in your idea.

Now that's true BS!

kenikh
I don't generally call someone this but in this case I felt it appropriate and warranted

On An automobile this is impossible

He kept repeatedly showing a handheld gun showing this, said repeatedly his a/c system does not freeze up at all at, with air vents he shows a hand gun showing this 29 degree temperature and states he does this for long periods of time

This is A LIE

on earth this is thermodynamically impossible without freezing up the evaporator and stopping function under the laws of thermodynamics

"massive blower"

Dave, you need to look back at the blower picture he represented that he used in the initial "reverse the gasses" work.

Hubris + envy + self doubt = making a fool of one's self!

you are a Liar!!!
FOR WHATEVER REASON

29 degree vent temps and no freezing up is a lie

Ok, NOW I see why you question Ronnie's claims. Your explanation of why helped me understand but why call him a liar? To me, that is just the wrong tactic to take in trying to convince a group that your way is better.

I don't mean to sound like Dr.Phil.

Obviously, you are passionate about your work and that's good.

I'm stepping out of the thread. I wish you the best.

Solar Impulse 2 Airplane First Flight - Maiden Flight
 

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yUpyuORoB8o?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/oNMBPJpaimc?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A/C Reverse The Gases in Early Model 911's
 

The TAN SWAN

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1428846943.jpg


The BLACK SWAN


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1428847165.jpg



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1428848800.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1428848882.jpg


R134A 0.95 lbs of refrigerant total used


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1428443176.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1428851014.jpg


PROVEN TRUTH !!!

Speaking of sub-freezing temperatures....

You still haven't explained those negative PSI readings on the suction side along with decent high side PSI indications.

I've explained how sub-freezing vent temperature "snapshot" guage readings can be had without anyone lying...

Your turn... SmileWavy

That's hubris & envy working away at Reid's delicate ego. I've demonstrated that his many years worth of boasts about superior products and methods, and his bashings of obsolete technologies and ideas, are unfounded, and his reaction to said exposure is to lash out.

Prove Me Wrong

NO! We're going to take it for granted that you're the one wrong since there is no existing logic to warrant a DIY'ers, or anyone's research into your invention.

Why not a start..

Explain why you think your "reverse the flow" idea will improve the A/C performance of our A/C systems.

Archimedes UNDERSTOOD what made the water rise in his bath....

Do you UNDERSTAND why your idea would improve our A/C..??

I agree that we need credibility for the Reverse idea. I really don't care WHY anyone thinks it should or shouldn't work better than stock. Reid had an idea, he tested it, and thought it worked very well. I wish Reid would provide some of his observations on cooling performance on the day he first tried the idea. He must have seen lower pressures or lower vent temps or something. I'm the kind of guy who drives around with a thermometer in my a/c vent. I know when something is wrong. I bet he saw something that made him think he had found an improvement. He may not know why it works. If it really works, we can figure out why later. Either way. He says it works, so either take him at his word and try it. Maybe it will work. Remember, it might not work, and that's the risk you take.
Take care,
Dave

Thanks Dave as always for YOUR open minded insight

KeloGes says he did the "reverse the flow" retrofit/conversion for at least 2 clients.

Can you imagine ANYONE committing the shop time & expense without a solidly based sales spiel?

Not exactly a try it, you'll like it type of salesmanship one could put over.

Or was he his own "client"..?

Or did the 2 conversions as free "gift" as her seems to have wont to do.

I think he had an idea, and tried it out on client #1. It seemed to work so he used it on client #2. Since he was installing full systems, not that much extra to Reverse condenser order. I am certain he is convinced that it works well. No real before and after, but he is happy with the after results.
I think that is all we are going to get. So if someone is doing a full install, he might file this idea away and try it. Seems like 20 feet of hose and 4 fittings. Seems like pretty easy to undo it if needed.
Until then we have Reid's word and impression of success.
Dave

Well, Reid, it seems that a lot of stupid has built up in Florida. Do you know the boiling point of R134a? Would it surprise you if I told you that it is a lot lower than 0* C? A LOT lower. In fact, it is -26.3*C. So, despite your hilariously incorrect assertions otherwise, it is very possible to have vent temps lower than 0*C. Not only that, I know for a fact that these cars can make them, because I saw it repeatedly on my car. But I live in a very low humidity area, so I don't have to worry about evap freeze up. Since the system is in recirc mode, it is possible to have extended periods of sub-freezing dry air coming out of the vents.

Your lack of science knowledge puts into question your ability to engineer anything. I absolutely think there is a liar in this thread, but it certainly isn't Ronnie.

I think you are correct. Unfortunately, Reid doesn't have any credibility, so his repeated assertions carry zero weight. I wouldn't replumb my system unless I knew there would be real and tangible benefits to doing so. I would need more than the ravings of some self-important internet loudmouth. Well, I actually believe Ronnie, so I guess I don't need too much more.

I'm glad you're finally going to stop posting here, Reid. Your disruptive nature does nothing to improve the technical discussions on 911 AC.

Low humidity or no, eventually you will need turn down the "cold", the problem is knowing when.

You, Sir, are in need of about 25 of these - prepare thy buttocks accordingly!!!

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fi...ss-kicking.gif

Because he believes you? :D

Sorry,came in for lunch and saw the update to this.

This thread is beyond stupid at this point. I'm just going to go water the plants sitting in back of my Targa/greenhouse and enjoy this Florida heat.

Ha! No, Eric's cheeks earned a battering for the thinly veiled, pimp-slap he delivered to me in that thar post of his! :D

These?!?!?!

http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb3...ro-1260470.jpg

BLACK SWAN
Client One HAD first test, test 1 was everything temporary

Test 1 went beyond excellently good temporary hoses and fittings were removed

Test 2 same clients 911, full install of everything
Followed by a week or so of testing in all types of driving situations ensued
Results WoW it not only worked, it worked WoW
Cllient very happy took delivery

6 months later Client 1 brought back in a/c warm,; Investigation discovered very slow hose leak. Hose was properly repaired, A/C recharged
Further testing ensued, results were WoW Yahoo during South Florida's HIGHEST temperature ever recorded 95 degrees ambient in extremely high humidity cabin vent
temps 30s degree's NO EVAPORATOR Freezing

BLACK SWAN Client one

Owner Extremely happy, has had back for about 2 years since original reverse the gas's install to say the least

I'll chill for a while. Fair enough.

Have you finally come to the realization that you're beating a DEAD horse.??

" works good ", not BETTER, but only good...!

Do I notice a trend here?

You're no longer touting this as an improvement?

Bold by wwest, text by KeloGes.

Why not have the shop owner vouchsafe for your invention...?

A/C TEST RESULTS 3 WENT GREAT as expected!“reversing the gas’s”
 

Test III The TAN Swan

The TAN Swan was a very complicated A/C project in every way possible
For this 911 I redesigned the whole A/C system into NEW TECHNOLOGY, and it took several months to do, not days or weeks; I am talking about everything, not just this or that component.

Regardless the gases for the A/C system are controlled and metered by a VOV valve and a thermostat instead of a thermal expansion valve, it has my front and rear PFC’s, The Front PFC heat exchange is by a very large proprietary high CFM blower, Rear Sealed into the Deck Lid PFC is cooled by the engine fan

And of Course “reversing the gas’s”

The A/C TEST RESULTS WENT GREAT as expected!

This 911 easily gets A/C vent temps in the 30s @ 92 degree’s ambient even with high humidity and DOES NOT FREEZE UP; the engine oil temperature change is negligible temperature rise when the A/C is turned on our off with this discovery installed!

The owner is very happy with the results to say the least
The Tan Swans owner has had it back now for about a year since reversing the gas's was installed as part of his complete A/C being replaced with a my technology A/C system


I think that as information about my discovery of “reversing the gas’s” goes out to the world for Free, you will soon see 911 early model owners worldwide switching to this discovery if they use A/C; only time will tell?

Reid Kelly

The only thing missing on Test III The TAN Swan new technology a/c system
was digital control

I finally have that NOW too for what I will be doing in the future

I don't understand how you can claim this a "large proprietary high CFM blower" when it is sold by several SPAL distributers available to the general public and for your information you are not the first to use it.

This blower did not come from from a distributor it came from the manufacture engineering team

I am required to say it is proprietary as part of the sales agreement

There's a KelogGes equivalent in the Spal supply chain...???


I never knew that....!