A/C Reverse The Gases in Early Model 911's

[wwest]

Originally Posted by DaveMcKenz

I agree that we need credibility for the Reverse idea. I really don't care WHY anyone thinks it should or shouldn't work better than stock. Reid had an idea, he tested it, and thought it worked very well. I wish Reid would provide some of his observations on cooling performance on the day he first tried the idea. He must have seen lower pressures or lower vent temps or something. I'm the kind of guy who drives around with a thermometer in my a/c vent. I know when something is wrong. I bet he saw something that made him think he had found an improvement. He may not know why it works. If it really works, we can figure out why later. Either way. He says it works, so either take him at his word and try it. Maybe it will work. Remember, it might not work, and that's the risk you take.
Take care,
Dave

KeloGes says he did the "reverse the flow" retrofit/conversion for at least 2 clients.

Can you imagine ANYONE committing the shop time & expense without a solidly based sales spiel?

Not exactly a try it, you'll like it type of salesmanship one could put over.

Or was he his own "client"..?

Or did the 2 conversions as free "gift" as her seems to have wont to do.

[DaveMcKenz]

I think he had an idea, and tried it out on client #1. It seemed to work so he used it on client #2. Since he was installing full systems, not that much extra to Reverse condenser order. I am certain he is convinced that it works well. No real before and after, but he is happy with the after results.
I think that is all we are going to get. So if someone is doing a full install, he might file this idea away and try it. Seems like 20 feet of hose and 4 fittings. Seems like pretty easy to undo it if needed.
Until then we have Reid's word and impression of success.
Dave

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

kenikh
I don't generally call someone this but in this case I felt it appropriate and warranted

On An automobile this is impossible

He kept repeatedly showing a handheld gun showing this, said repeatedly his a/c system does not freeze up at all at, with air vents he shows a hand gun showing this 29 degree temperature and states he does this for long periods of time

This is A LIE

on earth this is thermodynamically impossible without freezing up the evaporator and stopping function under the laws of thermodynamics

Well, Reid, it seems that a lot of stupid has built up in Florida. Do you know the boiling point of R134a? Would it surprise you if I told you that it is a lot lower than 0* C? A LOT lower. In fact, it is -26.3*C. So, despite your hilariously incorrect assertions otherwise, it is very possible to have vent temps lower than 0*C. Not only that, I know for a fact that these cars can make them, because I saw it repeatedly on my car. But I live in a very low humidity area, so I don't have to worry about evap freeze up. Since the system is in recirc mode, it is possible to have extended periods of sub-freezing dry air coming out of the vents.

Your lack of science knowledge puts into question your ability to engineer anything. I absolutely think there is a liar in this thread, but it certainly isn't Ronnie.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by DaveMcKenz

I think that is all we are going to get. So if someone is doing a full install, he might file this idea away and try it. Seems like 20 feet of hose and 4 fittings. Seems like pretty easy to undo it if needed.
Until then we have Reid's word and impression of success.
Dave

I think you are correct. Unfortunately, Reid doesn't have any credibility, so his repeated assertions carry zero weight. I wouldn't replumb my system unless I knew there would be real and tangible benefits to doing so. I would need more than the ravings of some self-important internet loudmouth. Well, I actually believe Ronnie, so I guess I don't need too much more.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

this thread is a perfect place to finally put a stop to you trolls that ruin every single a/c thread anyone starts here regardless of the subject matter and its been going on for years here

I'm glad you're finally going to stop posting here, Reid. Your disruptive nature does nothing to improve the technical discussions on 911 AC.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

Well, Reid, it seems that a lot of stupid has built up in Florida. Do you know the boiling point of R134a? Would it surprise you if I told you that it is a lot lower than 0* C? A LOT lower. In fact, it is -26.3*C. So, despite your hilariously incorrect assertions otherwise, it is very possible to have vent temps lower than 0*C.

No one is arguing otherwise.

Not only that, I know for a fact that these cars can make them, because I saw it repeatedly on my car. But I live in a very low humidity area, so I don't have to worry about evap freeze up. Since the system is in recirc mode, it is possible to have extended periods of sub-freezing dry air coming out of the vents.

That's only if you, and your passenger(s) hold your breath and don't perspire for an "extended" period.

Your lack of science knowledge puts into question your ability to engineer anything. I absolutely think there is a liar in this thread, but it certainly isn't Ronnie.

Low humidity or no, eventually you will need turn down the "cold", the problem is knowing when.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

I would need more than the ravings of some self-important internet loudmouth. Well, I actually believe Ronnie, so I guess I don't need too much more.

You, Sir, are in need of about 25 of these - prepare thy buttocks accordingly!!!

[Oh Haha]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

You, Sir, are in need of about 25 of these - prepare thy buttocks accordingly!!!

Because he believes you?

Sorry,came in for lunch and saw the update to this.

[allaircooled]

This thread is beyond stupid at this point. I'm just going to go water the plants sitting in back of my Targa/greenhouse and enjoy this Florida heat.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by Oh Haha

Because he believes you?

Ha! No, Eric's cheeks earned a battering for the thinly veiled, pimp-slap he delivered to me in that thar post of his!

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by allaircooled

This thread is beyond stupid at this point. I'm just going to go water the plants sitting in back of my Targa/greenhouse . . .

These?!?!?!

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by DaveMcKenz

I think he had an idea, and tried it out on client #1. It seemed to work so he used it on client #2. Since he was installing full systems, not that much extra to Reverse condenser order. I am certain he is convinced that it works well. No real before and after, but he is happy with the after results.
I think that is all we are going to get. So if someone is doing a full install, he might file this idea away and try it. Seems like 20 feet of hose and 4 fittings. Seems like pretty easy to undo it if needed.
Until then we have Reid's word and impression of success.
Dave

BLACK SWAN
Client One HAD first test, test 1 was everything temporary

Test 1 went beyond excellently good temporary hoses and fittings were removed

Test 2 same clients 911, full install of everything
Followed by a week or so of testing in all types of driving situations ensued
Results WoW it not only worked, it worked WoW
Cllient very happy took delivery

6 months later Client 1 brought back in a/c warm,; Investigation discovered very slow hose leak. Hose was properly repaired, A/C recharged
Further testing ensued, results were WoW Yahoo during South Florida's HIGHEST temperature ever recorded 95 degrees ambient in extremely high humidity cabin vent
temps 30s degree's NO EVAPORATOR Freezing

BLACK SWAN Client one

Owner Extremely happy, has had back for about 2 years since original reverse the gas's install to say the least

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

maybe I should start following you and your Posts: 8,492 around?

I'll chill for a while. Fair enough.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

BLACK SWAN
Client One HAD first test, test 1 was everything temporary

Test 1 went beyond excellently good temporary hoses and fittings were removed

Test 2 same clients 911, full install of everything
Followed by a week or so of testing in all types of driving situations ensued
Results WoW it not only worked, it worked WoW
Cllient very happy took delivery

6 months later Client 1 brought back in a/c warm,; Investigation discovered very slow hose leak. Hose was properly repaired, A/C recharged
Further testing ensued, results were WoW Yahoo during South Florida's HIGHEST temperature ever recorded 95 degrees ambient in extremely high humidity cabin vent
temps 30s degree's NO EVAPORATOR Freezing

BLACK SWAN Client one

Owner Extremely happy, has had back for about 2 years since original reverse the gas's install to say the least

Have you finally come to the realization that you're beating a DEAD horse.??

" works good ", not BETTER, but only good...!

Do I notice a trend here?

You're no longer touting this as an improvement?

Bold by wwest, text by KeloGes.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

This 911 I call THE BLACK SWAN GETS 37 F degrees average vent temps at @ 95 F degrees using my custom designed PFC's (without freezing)

The owner is extremely happy to say the least!

It uses only 0.95 lbs R134A refrigerant

This test was accomplished using a couple of pieces of hose fittings and hose clamps

All the existing hose was only disconnected and left in place until the next day so the shop owner could see how well the test worked

He liked MY INVENTION so well it was completed the next day using the new invention!
He has done several 911's since The Black Swan using my invention for his clients

Why not have the shop owner vouchsafe for your invention...?

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

BLACK SWAN
Client One HAD first test, test 1 was everything temporary

Test 1 went beyond excellently good temporary hoses and fittings were removed

Test 2 same clients 911, full install of everything
Followed by a week or so of testing in all types of driving situations ensued
Results WoW it not only worked, it worked WoW
Cllient very happy took delivery

6 months later Client 1 brought back in a/c warm,; Investigation discovered very slow hose leak. Hose was properly repaired, A/C recharged
Further testing ensued, results were WoW Yahoo during South Florida's HIGHEST temperature ever recorded 95 degrees ambient in extremely high humidity cabin vent
temps 30s degree's NO EVAPORATOR Freezing

BLACK SWAN Client one

Owner Extremely happy, has had back for about 2 years since original reverse the gas's install to say the least

Test III The TAN Swan

The TAN Swan was a very complicated A/C project in every way possible
For this 911 I redesigned the whole A/C system into NEW TECHNOLOGY, and it took several months to do, not days or weeks; I am talking about everything, not just this or that component.

Regardless the gases for the A/C system are controlled and metered by a VOV valve and a thermostat instead of a thermal expansion valve, it has my front and rear PFC’s, The Front PFC heat exchange is by a very large proprietary high CFM blower, Rear Sealed into the Deck Lid PFC is cooled by the engine fan

And of Course “reversing the gas’s”

The A/C TEST RESULTS WENT GREAT as expected!

This 911 easily gets A/C vent temps in the 30s @ 92 degree’s ambient even with high humidity and DOES NOT FREEZE UP; the engine oil temperature change is negligible temperature rise when the A/C is turned on our off with this discovery installed!

The owner is very happy with the results to say the least
The Tan Swans owner has had it back now for about a year since reversing the gas's was installed as part of his complete A/C being replaced with a my technology A/C system


I think that as information about my discovery of “reversing the gas’s” goes out to the world for Free, you will soon see 911 early model owners worldwide switching to this discovery if they use A/C; only time will tell?

Reid Kelly

[KelogGes]

The only thing missing on Test III The TAN Swan new technology a/c system
was digital control

I finally have that NOW too for what I will be doing in the future

[crownarch]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Test III The TAN Swan
The Front PFC heat exchange is by a very large proprietary high CFM blower, Rear Sealed into the Deck Lid PFC is cooled by the engine fan

I don't understand how you can claim this a "large proprietary high CFM blower" when it is sold by several SPAL distributers available to the general public and for your information you are not the first to use it.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by crownarch

I don't understand how you can claim this a "large proprietary high CFM blower" when it is sold by several SPAL distributers available to the general public and for your information you are not the first to use it.

This blower did not come from from a distributor it came from the manufacture engineering team

I am required to say it is proprietary as part of the sales agreement

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

This blower did not come from from a distributor it came from the manufacture engineering team

I am required to say it is proprietary as part of the sales agreement

There's a KelogGes equivalent in the Spal supply chain...???


I never knew that....!