A/C Reverse The Gases in Early Model 911's

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

THERE is more going on here than you know or you think you know

What kind of response do you expect to receive when you tell somebody they are clueless?

There is a background regarding Willy, if that's what you are referring to. He can be a stinker but I have respect for him. I have called him a chowder head at least 22 times and maybe only gotten two slams back. That says relatively unflappable in my book.

If his intent is to undermine your innovation, I am not seeing it. I have seen him chow down on large crow in a heated set of opinions more than once.

There is a sliver of a chance that you may be overly sensitive.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

THERE is more going on here than you know or you think you know
in the background in the A/C THREADS HERE

Interesting perspective considering the people here that you have such a problem with have been posting in the a/c threads long before you showed up making unsubstantiated, grandiose claims of air-conditioning god-dome.

[uwanna]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

THERE is more going on here than you know or you think you know
in the background in the A/C THREADS HERE

OMG, I'm shocked! Do I smell a conspiracy on a PP thread. I think a full scale investigation is warranted. (of KelogGes--- heh heh)

[KelogGes]

wwest its time to expose you and what you have been doing here for years by passing Pelican Parts to hawk your BS fans in every a/c thread started by anyone in violation to the user agreements


Let’s put this back into the full correct context


This what I originally said

Originally Posted by KelogGes

I don't need any additions to get colder temps than temps 30's degrees my system already get @ 95 F Ambient using ONLY 2 very lightweight pfc's in the OEM original body placement cavities with no appreciable engine oil temp rise when the A/C is ON LoL

IF YOU RACE THINK ABOUT THAT!

West edited what I said originally posted it this way

“Originally Posted by KelogGes
I don't need any additions to get colder temps than temps 30's degrees my system already get @ 95 F Ambient using ONLY 2 very lightweight pfc's in the OEM original body placement LoL”

Originally Posted by wwest

My factory system could match that (Memphis, August) easily, and with a few inexpensive modifications(***) will not only beat it but do so with the engine at idle.

*** Spal fans to increase the efficiency of the rear lid condenser when needed.

Originally Posted by KelogGes

DUH ok rofl prove it

and market it here on Pelican Parts

its time people see right through you AND YOUR BS!

[KelogGes]

This IS MUCH BIGGER THEN YOU THINK IT IS

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

wwest its time to expose you and what you have been doing here for years by passing Pelican Parts to hawk your BS fans in every a/c thread started by anyone in violation to the user agreements

Reid, this is utter lunacy.

Mr. West talks so much about the condenser fan idea because he thinks it works.

He gets a lot of argumentative push back from people that think the fan idea does not work well enough to warrant installing them.

He has never once indicated that he is selling fans of any sort, and nobody thinks he is (but you).

Where is the user agreement violation?

Where is the a/c conspiracy?

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

He has never once indicated that he is selling fans of any sort, and nobody thinks he is (but you).

Where is the user agreement violation?

Where is the a/c conspiracy?

Willy is as tight as a crab's butt when it comes to AC spend. He has posted a squilion links to inexpensive, yet functional parts.

Are they parts the 911 owner will buy? Maybe, maybe not. But he ain't making money off of his typing.

[KelogGes]

marry him

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

marry him

Why let him bother you?

[KelogGes]

go look in any a/c thread regardless of subject here over the last 4-5 years and you will see my answer

[KelogGes]

notice this also
I did not edit this in anyway

Originally Posted by wwest View Post
My factory system could match that (Memphis, August) easily, and with a few inexpensive modifications(***) will not only beat it but do so with the engine at idle.

*** Spal fans to increase the efficiency of the rear lid condenser when needed.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

go look in any a/c thread regardless of subject here over the last 4-5 years and you will see my answer

I have posted in most every one of them. I do know your answer. He can be a buzz kill. Full stop.

I do not know how to make Willy change into someone you, Ronnie , Charlie or me (among dozens of others) would generally embrace. I am serious. I just don't know. There have been hundreds of well articulated posts begging for a recess.

He does respond favorably to technical challenge and I think that is what he is looking for.

Maybe try to appease him with that? I don't have enough AC HP, I think you do.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Originally Posted by wwest View Post
My factory system could match that (Memphis, August) easily, and with a few inexpensive modifications(***) will not only beat it but do so with the engine at idle.

Simply said to get under your skin.

Not a chance this is viable vs advanced heat exchangers. Zero plausibility.

[KelogGes]

Bob lets just say he is kind of a loon

The real problem here is in the A/C treads!

Where everyone thinks they know something when they don't which is not really bad thing in itself''

The Problem is the rat pack who supports them and totally destroys the thread over stupidity and Innuendo etc

and its a free for all

(not sure if I am saying this right?)

But I think you will get the gist of what I mean

The other thing is the lack of moderation from the moderators for the adult children
until its usually too late

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Simply said to get under your skin.

Not a chance this is viable vs advanced heat exchangers. Zero plausibility.

then you are part of the problem there is here PLAYING MIND GAMES

ITS PROVEN

SAY YOUR PIECE THAN MOVE ALONG

KLING TO OLD TECHNOLOGY

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Where everyone thinks they know something when they don't which is not really bad thing in itself''

Like you, for example, and you've demonstrated a non-willingness to learn.

Originally Posted by KelogGes

The other thing is the lack of moderation from the moderators for the adult children
until its usually too late

If the moderators did as you suggest here, then 99% of your posts would be deleted and your sales-pitch & smoke-and-mirrors threads nixed immediately.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

then you are part of the problem there is here PLAYING MIND GAMES

ITS PROVEN

SAY YOUR PIECE THAN MOVE ALONG

I am saying a stock system with a few minor improvements such as a spal fan or a binary switch cannot compare to a system with advanced heat exchanging capabilities such as your condensers.

I am not playing mind games. I am trying to be remotely adult like and call them like I see them.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

DUH ok rofl prove it

and market it here on Pelican Parts

its time people see right through you AND YOUR BS!

Do some research...!!

Every owner of a '78-88 with factory A/C that is fully operational will tell you that it meets your criteria after 20-30 minutes of highway cruising. Even Pelican technical notes advise owners to reduce the cooling level from max. within 20-30 minutes in order to prevent evaporator freezing.

Will the factory A/C provide more rapid cabin cooldown than one with aftermarket enhancements..??

Probably not... it depends...

Most aftermarket front lip condensers, like yours, primarily only use blower supplied cooling airflow, whereas the factory tube/fin is specifically designed to take advantage of that aspect... The faster your drive (this IS a Porsche!) the more A/C capability you will have.

Does using a more efficient aftermarket engine lid condenser, such as your PFC, help as much as providing additional cooling airflow when the engine cooling fan airflow is inadequate?

Has anyone provided any comparative data one method vs the other??

There can be no question that a more efficient rear lid condenser will add refrigerant condensing capability.

Also, there can be no question that providing additional cooling airflow, make-up airflow, when that supplied by the engine cooling fan is inadequate, will add refrigerant cooling capability.

Assuming either will provide adequate cooling enhancement what is the comparative gain adjusted by cost??

A trinary pressure switch plus 2 Spal 12 volt cooling fans vs Yours or Kuehl's IMPROVED rear lid condenser?

[KelogGes]

I GUESS EVERY MANUFACTURE IN THE WORLD HAS SWITCHED TO THIS TECHNOLOGY IS WRONG LOL

time to stop wasting my time with you

[KelogGes]

go sit in the corner and talk to the hand

Originally Posted by wwest

Do some research...!!

Every owner of a '78-88 with factory A/C that is fully operational will tell you that it meets your criteria after 20-30 minutes of highway cruising. Even Pelican technical notes advise owners to reduce the cooling level from max. within 20-30 minutes in order to prevent evaporator freezing.

Will the factory A/C provide more rapid cabin cooldown than one with aftermarket enhancements..??

Probably not... it depends...

Most aftermarket front lip condensers, like yours, primarily only use blower supplied cooling airflow, whereas the factory tube/fin is specifically designed to take advantage of that aspect... The faster your drive (this IS a Porsche!) the more A/C capability you will have.

Does using a more efficient aftermarket engine lid condenser, such as your PFC, help as much as providing additional cooling airflow when the engine cooling fan airflow is inadequate?

Has anyone provided any comparative data one method vs the other??

There can be no question that a more efficient rear lid condenser will add refrigerant condensing capability.

Also, there can be no question that providing additional cooling airflow, make-up airflow, when that supplied by the engine cooling fan is inadequate, will add refrigerant cooling capability.

Assuming either will provide adequate cooling enhancement what is the comparative gain adjusted by cost??

A trinary pressure switch plus 2 Spal 12 volt cooling fans vs Yours or Kuehl's IMPROVED rear lid condenser?