3.6 Throttle Linkage Set-Up Question

Embs · Embs's Garage

How are you guys doing it? I ended up with this unacceptable deal pictured below, there has to be something better and safer.

I fear this cable won't last long. Plus no matter how it is adjusted, WOT is not even close to being possible with this set-up.

Also, before I get hammered, I am NOT negatively commenting the company that initially performed this engineering marvel.

Eric Mckenna · 12-05-2002, 07:49 AM

Todd,
Brother I am with ya on that.. it won't last Long by looks of it.. ask Jack and Thom and BillV what they're runnin.. It has to be BETTER than what ya just posted... Everyone listed is safer than that, so I know they have better set ups.. come guys show us what ya have to get rid of the posted set up...

Todd B.T.W. I wouldn't drive the car looking like that .. man it doesn't look safe Brother,, ya better give the motor to me i do some testin for ya!! hahahahaaha

Eric Mckenna
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Bobboloo · Bobboloo's Garage

The cable doesn't bother me as much as the way it loops around the pivot without a shield to prevent wear through on the cable.

Cables are used for lifting extremely heavy stuff but always have shields where you hook on.

Also the bolt for clamping looks like it might compromise the cable as well.

Bobby

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

You're right about the wear. I need to replace mine because it's almost worn thru at the bottom. I did a little Arkansas engineering with safety wire for the time being, but it's just a short-term hack.

In order to get WOT, I had to cut off the stop from the bottom of my pedal in order to get the extra pedal travel.

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

In this image, you can see my okiefication of the linkage:

Kevin Stewart · 12-05-2002, 09:37 AM

Todd what happen to the clip that clips onto that arm, should be some type of swivel clip, my idea would be to get the clip or old cable and use a harley type clutch saver, what it is is you put the cable through it and a bolt tightens down on it, i would tack weld two side by side put the cable from the motor in one and the cable from the tranny side in one, then you can use a secondary clamp like you have for precautuion, ill draw a picture if you want, this way you would have no metal parts, the swivel on the tranny side will last for ever, Kevin

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

Here are some pics of mine, its stock Carrera 3 up to the engine connection

Speedster94 · 12-05-2002, 12:48 PM

hallo
Why dont you use the original 964 Cable all the way to the front ?
harald

Embs · Embs's Garage

Thanks for all the pics and ideas. After laying underneath of the car for about two hours tonight, I think I am going to try and fab up linkage and to rid myself of the cable. It disturbs me everytime I look at it, what a cheesy way to do it. I figure after all of the cash I have dumped in this, I sure as h@ll don't want to be worrying about a cable.

I'll post pics as it progresses.

As always thanks for the ideas and input!!

3.6 911 · 12-06-2002, 11:09 AM

I've been using the same set up for the past 3+ years and have no difficulty. The car has done track events and daily driving without failure. I believe I would concern myself with outher issues.

Embs · Embs's Garage

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Originally posted by 3.6 911
I've been using the same set up for the past 3+ years and have no difficulty. The car has done track events and daily driving without failure. I believe I would concern myself with outher issues.

Well thanks for the input, but I will concern myself with all issues that are weak, poorly designed and potential safety hazards. Also, it is more than a durability issue. WOT is not possible with this setup on a 993 engine, unless I adjust it to the point the throttle is partially open at idle.

If it were a lawn-mower or mini-bike, I would have no problem with this cobbed set-up. But it's not, it's a Porsche.

scca_ita · 12-06-2002, 03:50 PM

Call Patrick Motorsports and get the 993 cable. Thats what I have and the fit and operation is great.

I think it cost $200 plus but you get what you pay for... The only thing that PMS does is shorten it at the accelerator end.

Eric Mckenna · 12-06-2002, 04:00 PM

I agree with you Todd, just because somthing works ok.. doesn't mean it is the way to always do it I am sure there are better weays to hook up the linkage.. other than that "Uh yeah that will do" way! I know you'll find a better way that will last, and be safer over all. I again agree with ya Todd, Its your Porsche I am sure you'll find a better way!
Eric Mckenna
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Embs · Embs's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by scca_ita
Call Patrick Motorsports and get the 993 cable. Thats what I have and the fit and operation is great.

I think it cost $200 plus but you get what you pay for... The only thing that PMS does is shorten it at the accelerator end.

How does the PMS version attach to the existing set-up?

Thanks,

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

IT JUST DOES, DAMMIT, NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!

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Originally posted by Embs
How does the PMS version attach to the existing set-up?

Thanks,

Embs · Embs's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
IT JUST DOES, DAMMIT, NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!

Dude, are you SCCA_ITA who posted the PMS info that I quoted? Or am I missing something here?

Eric Mckenna · 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by widebody911
IT JUST DOES, DAMMIT, NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!

DAMN! Thom.. what gives? That was a bit out of Charactor for ya!
It seemed like a perfectly legitimate question to me, yet you SNAPPED at Embs question that wasn't even DIRECTED at you..
come on Thom.. man people come here to get answers to questions,, not Flippant remarks to thier questions..

I REALLY hope i simply misread your post and that you were JOKING with , then I seea bit of humor in it.. but if your were being serious... well.....I see nothing but a needless reply to a fellow P-car owners question.
Todd,
I hope SCCA-ITA replies with a bit of help for ya on this so you can fix the linkage.

Cheers, Eric

Tinker · 12-07-2002, 07:02 AM

Boy there are some seriously creative throttle connections!

I think mine might be a bit more elegant. Go to a VW or bug speed shop and get the universal kit they sell for throttle linkage(Empie??). It will include a ball and socket type connector and a cable. You only need the ball and socket which they don`t sell separately. Take the metal pivot piece off the trans and drill/grind off the portion you guys have been wraping the cable end around. It might even be bolted on?? I can`t remember. The ball portion of the kit attaches at that end of the pivot piece. The socket simple snaps on the ball and your cable attaches to the socket with a set screw. I used the cruise control cable and bracket that worked/fit perfectly.

No problems for 6+ years.

Tinker

Embs · Embs's Garage

Thanks Tinker, that doesn't sound like to much of a compromise.

scca_ita · 12-07-2002, 08:03 AM

Hi All,

I will take a picture of how it exits the rear tube. The front is all installed so it will be harder to show, however there is a small thredded piece added to the front of the 993 cable that accepts the socket that is donated from the original hard line accelerator which attaches to the accelerator peddle. The rear is stock for 993 not sure of 964 but should be the same.