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DHE11 06-26-2018 04:17 AM

More parts... will be installing a dual master cylinder set up.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530015020.jpg


I fitted a custom set up (below) to my previous car.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530015282.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530015340.jpg

Have found the dual set up, and short / hard pedal to my liking (never really liked the vac assist) so that's not going back in and saves another pound!

DHE11 06-27-2018 07:36 PM

Waiting for pick up and back to ProMotorsports for the build...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530156732.jpg

chrisbalich 06-28-2018 04:10 AM

that is going to look so good in motion. well done, sir.

DHE11 06-28-2018 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10088761)
that is going to look so good in motion. well done, sir.

Yeah, really pleased with the colour now it’s on the car...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530188462.jpg

Transporting to shop today.

After much research and discussions with suppliers and looking at previous builds, all the major parts are now assembled and ready. So it’s finally time for it all to start being fitted.

About the only original parts I can think of that will be staying in the car will be the steering column, box and tie rods! Pretty much everything else has been upgraded, replaced or modified.

chrisbalich 06-28-2018 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHE11 (Post 10088792)
Yeah, really pleased with the colour now it’s on the car...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530188462.jpg

Transporting to shop today.

After much research and discussions with suppliers and looking at previous builds, all the major parts are now assembled and ready. So it’s finally time for it all to start being fitted.

About the only original parts I can think of that will be staying in the car will be the steering column, box and tie rods! Pretty much everything else has been upgraded, replaced or modified.

you didn't rifle drill the steering rack?
jeeze. may as well be a stock car...
:rolleyes:

DHE11 06-28-2018 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10088844)
you didn't rifle drill the steering rack?
jeeze. may as well be a stock car...
:rolleyes:

Ha ha, I'll put that on my event entry forms...
77sc stock (some minor modifications)

chrisbalich 06-28-2018 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHE11 (Post 10089634)
Ha ha, I'll put that on my event entry forms...
77sc stock (some minor modifications)

;)

DHE11 06-28-2018 04:57 PM

Milestone
 
Major milestone today.
It’s back at the workshop and on the hoist...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530233820.jpg

DHE11 07-02-2018 07:08 PM

New MCS struts
 
Installing new custom Motion Control Suspension front struts...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530587168.jpg

DHE11 07-05-2018 08:46 PM

Refurb996 brakes back from powder coating, test fitted ok with new wheels...


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DHE11 07-06-2018 09:07 AM

Starting to go together now...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1530896680.jpg

Mothy 07-06-2018 02:02 PM

Hey Darien, who supplied the front oil cooler. Looks like a relatively simple but neat mounting method.

Tim

DHE11 07-06-2018 06:53 PM

Hi Tim,
This cooler came with the car, i had a look today and no brand on it.
Its fitted quite close the the front as has the oil cooler cut out behind for airflow, same as you did.

I will be removing this one as it needs a flush (previous engine in this chassis spun a rod bearing and made a little metal) so I’m planning on getting a new, and maybe slightly bigger one for the 3.6.

D


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mothy (Post 10098448)
Hey Darien, who supplied the front oil cooler. Looks like a relatively simple but neat mounting method.

Tim


DHE11 07-07-2018 03:49 PM

Eric from Pelican called into ProMotorsports to catch up on Friday.
The car is starting to take shape now and was able to look at the custom fabrication and suspension set up Tyson is creating using the 935 set up and MCS dampers.

It was 112 (or 44’C) at Burbank so not a good day to be in a workshop fitting suspension and test fitting seat/pedal position etc.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531006910.jpg

Tyson - Darien - Eric

More pics to come....

Tyson Schmidt 07-07-2018 04:14 PM

It got worse after you left, Darien. It hit 117 F.
Getting in my black, non AC early 911 that had sat in the sun all day a nice way to finish the day. Surprised my hair didn’t catch on fire.

I’ll post some pics as the assembly progresses. This is the fun part. (Finally!)

DHE11 07-07-2018 04:50 PM

Yeah, that’s reallly hot (even by Australian standards).
We we’re delayed departing nearly 2hrs last night as it was still 87F (30’C) at midnight, and with San Fernando wind change we needed to swap runways for the A380 to take off.

Landed just now back in Australia and it’s 51F (11’C).
Once more flight to get home but was definitely worth the trip.
Will post some pics later... need a coffee!

DHE11 07-07-2018 05:16 PM

And thanks to Wyatt @ Motion Control Suspension for the MCS team T shirt - came in handy being so hot as i packed really light....

Rear trailing arms and dampers now hung.
(credit to Eric for the photo as he brought a proper camera with him)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531012429.jpg

Cory M 07-07-2018 08:14 PM

Looking good

DHE11 07-08-2018 01:44 AM

New bearings installed, widebodies with big rubber tends to give the bearings a hard time so replacing them all now.
Also fitted up the rear calipers to allow test routing of new brakes lines.
With all the custom fab work Tyson needed to do more welding to reposition the brake line mounting tabs.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531042731.jpg

DHE11 07-08-2018 02:11 AM

Had standard SC brakes when i bought the rolling chassis.
For not much more than upgrading to thicker carrera discs and calipers, was able to source this 996 rotor package from Clint @ Rebel.

These are not too big to avoid excess rotating weight, and the newer calipers are relatively light compared to old steel ones.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531043522.jpg

...and fit nicely under the Jongbloed custom 17” wheels
(the small wheel centres make the brakes look biggger then they are)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531043562.jpg

nathanbs 07-08-2018 07:25 AM

Looking good. Can’t wait to see it around

DHE11 07-09-2018 04:05 AM

Quite a few updates and pics from time in LA last week.
Positioned rear brakes/lines as Tyson needed to weld in new brake line mount tabs which were removed while modifying the trailing arm attach points.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531137694.jpg

DHE11 07-09-2018 04:33 AM

While the chassis is back at ProMotorsports being built, some finishing touches still taking place to the front bars and various small parts.

The large painted bar will pair with a flat floor and splitter.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531138910.jpg


The smaller bar in grey primer has been fitted and prepped for paint this week. It will be used for Motorkhana/hillclimbs etc, or any other tracks where i need more ground clearance!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531139006.jpg


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DHE11 07-10-2018 04:41 AM

Old wing - new wing!
 
This carbon banana wing will be removed and sold to make way for the new one...
This came fitted on car but I already have a similar one in Australia so don't need two of the same!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531225601.jpg

Just picked up the new 71" APR which will go on.
Barely fitted in the rental car even with the rear seats folded down.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531225941.jpg

DHE11 07-10-2018 04:51 AM

While at the APR office/warehouse I was able to talk with the guys and see how they are made.
The section below shows the two bonded carbon ribs (no aluminiuim spar required)
By using vacuum formed pre preg they can make these very light and strong.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531226880.png

chrisbalich 07-10-2018 05:28 AM

71" is a huge wing.
i'm still learning 911 aero. will you be able to run a large enough splitter up front to balance the car? (without looking like a WTAC car or a transformer)
seems like a ton of rear downforce/negative lift.

Eric at Pelican Parts 07-10-2018 09:21 AM

It was great meeting with you and Tyson briefly! I'm looking forward to seeing Project 77's completion :) I'll swing by and pay Tyson a visit sometime while your car gets completed, Darien. I'll bring my real camera next time we meet too. See you again soon!

DHE11 07-10-2018 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10102218)
71" is a huge wing.
i'm still learning 911 aero. will you be able to run a large enough splitter up front to balance the car? (without looking like a WTAC car or a transformer)
seems like a ton of rear downforce/negative lift.

Hey I’m learning too, and experimenting with set up is half the fun...

While this wing has potential to produce huge downforce numbers, can run at very low AoA and not get much of a drag penalty as its about 8:1 L/D ratio. Will do some real world testing, but should actually clean up the flow at the rear of the car and not increase the drag vs standard with no wing (while getting some benefits for neg lift and high speed stability)
or
if I’m lucky (and theory convertes to actual) could even improve drag and generate a faster top speed...
Will need to run it and test. Agree the front is more challenging to balance but found on previous car its amazing what fitting a flat floor does when combined with a decent splitter. So no current plan to have canards etc and look like a WTAC car.

Ill post the data for this particular wing. Recall 60-120mph at zero AoA its only producing 50-100lbs of downforce and wing drag penalty was like 10lbs or less.

DHE11 07-10-2018 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHE11 (Post 10102837)
Hey I’m learning too, and experimenting with set up is half the fun...

While this wing has potential to produce huge downforce numbers, can run at very low AoA and not get much of a drag penalty as its about 8:1 L/D ratio. Will do some real world testing, but should actually clean up the flow at the rear of the car and not increase the drag vs standard with no wing (while getting some benefits for neg lift and high speed stability)
or
if I’m lucky (and theory convertes to actual) could even improve drag and generate a faster top speed...
Will need to run it and test. Agree the front is more challenging to balance but found on previous car its amazing what fitting a flat floor does when combined with a decent splitter. So no current plan to have canards etc and look like a WTAC car.

Ill post the data for this particular wing. Recall 60-120mph at zero AoA its only producing 50-100lbs of downforce and wing drag penalty was like 10lbs or less.


From ARP’s website for the GT250 wing

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531263582.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531263598.png

DHE11 07-10-2018 07:52 PM

More parts going back on...
Fuel cell fitted after getting recertified and fitted with a new bladder.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531280480.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531280593.jpg

DHE11 07-11-2018 04:33 AM

Also managed to get seat position set up while in LA.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531312128.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531312194.jpg

Running a 95mm dish wheel so removed the standard Momo and fitted my short NRG adapter.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531312261.jpg
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chrisbalich 07-11-2018 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHE11 (Post 10102837)
Hey I’m learning too, and experimenting with set up is half the fun...

While this wing has potential to produce huge downforce numbers, can run at very low AoA and not get much of a drag penalty as its about 8:1 L/D ratio. Will do some real world testing, but should actually clean up the flow at the rear of the car and not increase the drag vs standard with no wing (while getting some benefits for neg lift and high speed stability)
or
if I’m lucky (and theory convertes to actual) could even improve drag and generate a faster top speed...
Will need to run it and test. Agree the front is more challenging to balance but found on previous car its amazing what fitting a flat floor does when combined with a decent splitter. So no current plan to have canards etc and look like a WTAC car.

Ill post the data for this particular wing. Recall 60-120mph at zero AoA its only producing 50-100lbs of downforce and wing drag penalty was like 10lbs or less.

i always forget how much of an effect a flat floor can have as i've never had a car with one. the numbers on that wing with a low AoA are awesome....and with a high AoA, huge!
i'm excited to see how this car develops as you get it on track!

DHE11 07-12-2018 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10103333)
i always forget how much of an effect a flat floor can have as i've never had a car with one. the numbers on that wing with a low AoA are awesome....and with a high AoA, huge!
i'm excited to see how this car develops as you get it on track!

Talking with the guys from APR, this is like their 3rd gen wing profile and developed with full CFD, hence the great L/D figures.
Lots of wings out there but i was looking for specifically one with low drag. The car is being built light, but it won't be big HP (just a 964 spec 3.6)
Most of the effort and development is going into the suspension/handling.

Plan to run this wing on the GT3 style ducktail (below from GT racing) which has now finished prep and paint ready to test fit.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531400441.jpg

chrisbalich 07-12-2018 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHE11 (Post 10104677)
The car is being built light, but it won't be big HP (just a 964 spec 3.6)
Most of the effort and development is going into the suspension/handling.

this makes me happy. it's how i'm building my streetcar...albeit with an SC 3.0 motor instead of a 3.6.
power doesn't fix everything the way a lot of manufacturers and enthusiasts would have you believe.

puddy 07-12-2018 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHE11 (Post 10104677)
Talking with the guys from APR, this is like their 3rd gen wing profile and developed with full CFD, hence the great L/D figures.
Lots of wings out there but i was looking for specifically one with low drag. The car is being built light, but it won't be big HP (just a 964 spec 3.6)
Most of the effort and development is going into the suspension/handling.

Plan to run this wing on the GT3 style ducktail (below from GT racing) which has now finished prep and paint ready to test fit.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531400441.jpg

So are you running a full carbon decklid & wing? If so do you have a rough weight of it?

I was thinking about upgrading my HEAVY GT2 style wing & steel decklid to full Carbon and adding extensions on the wing like yours, so I can see out the rear window!

Cory M 07-12-2018 09:28 AM

What's the plan for headlights? Noticed you don't have buckets in the fenders. Just going to use covers?

Cory M 07-12-2018 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10104724)
this makes me happy. it's how i'm building my streetcar...albeit with an SC 3.0 motor instead of a 3.6.
power doesn't fix everything the way a lot of manufacturers and enthusiasts would have you believe.

That's how all my track cars have been: low weight and relatively low power. It really is track dependent though. I was racing in a Weight/HP class and on the technical tracks the light cars had the edge, but the faster tracks with long straights and hills the newer heavier cars had a big advantage.

DHE11- you should shake it down at a POC event before shipping it across the ocean.

DHE11 07-13-2018 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10104724)
this makes me happy. it's how i'm building my streetcar...albeit with an SC 3.0 motor instead of a 3.6.
power doesn't fix everything the way a lot of manufacturers and enthusiasts would have you believe.

Yes, figure i will always find someone with more horsepower (or a newer car ) that can go faster in a straight line.

DHE11 07-13-2018 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddy (Post 10104739)
So are you running a full carbon decklid & wing? If so do you have a rough weight of it?

I was thinking about upgrading my HEAVY GT2 style wing & steel decklid to full Carbon and adding extensions on the wing like yours, so I can see out the rear window!

Yes, the wing is full carbon construction. The airfoil section itself is very light, probably a few pounds (i haven’t weighed it) The deck lid is fibreglass, which is much lighter than steel. Not enough gains for the extra expense in going for full carbon for the decklid.

I spent that money where it matters more on the suspension and lighter wheels.

DHE11 07-13-2018 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory M (Post 10104955)
What's the plan for headlights? Noticed you don't have buckets in the fenders. Just going to use covers?

For most of the time will be fitting covers.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531479501.jpg

I am actually going to look for some buckets and fit some headlights for night or rally events where i need them. I beleive aftermarket Jeep LED lamps are the same size and fit VW beetle /early Porsche ok (and are about 1/10th the price ive seen for the Porsche LED retrofit options)

If anyone has any spare headlight buckets and rings, please let me know as I’m interested...


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