Testing Element fire extinguisher

[Discseven]

Originally Posted by Discseven

Gordon and ALL...

Am going to VID an Element test. Would appreciate support from P-crowd to get into this!

Is simple enough for me to buy product and test... and thumbs up or down it. Is another thing to set up environment and video the performance of an Element to "group-proof standards." I'll set up and record this test provided a few of you guys express genuine interest in SEEing if the Element works or not.

Genuine interest = $10.

Genuine confirmations so far = 2 --- TY Will, Bruce. (8 total wanted.)

PM me for info.

3 in to date... TY Will, Bruce, Johan.

[Discseven]

Product's been ordered for test and fire department has been contacted to coordinate their participation. Thanks to Rob for his email input to me---much appreciated Rob.

[Element Fire]

Best of luck with the test and I hope it goes better than it did for these intrepid racers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XIw5KZPbxU

[toddetch]

Element Fire - do you know if your under seat mount will fit in our air cooled 911s?

[Element Fire]

The under-seat bracket that we offer is from 'The Bracketeer'. I cannot be sure if it works on the air cooled 911's but the following fitment guide from their website should give you all the info you need to be sure:

Compatibility — The Bracketeer

I hope this helps.

[toddetch]

Thanks - I'll go measure and check!

[blucille]

It does fit in the glove box.

[Discseven]

EDIT: Vid is no longer available. (Could no longer edit post post #1 to advise this.)

Am departing country for 3 weeks... right now. Will respond to questions---if there are any---when back home. Thanks to my supporters and participants. Am adding a few zeros to checks. I can finally retire in opulence.

[Uwon]

Karl,
What an outstanding video. You have conducted an impressive and thorough test procedure. Worth the price of admission. Not so for the Element-what a disappointment!
Have a great trip and thanks again for all the work and organization that went into this project.
Cheers,
Johan

[NikosF]

As Milton Freedman said "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch". Thanks for doing this Karl.

[carreradpt]

Very well done Karl.

[LIRS6]

Nicely done indeed, I'll save mine for when I need to put out a match.

Jason

[fanaudical]

Interesting results - thanks for posting that.

[psychoideas]

Originally Posted by Element Fire

We are currently in discussions with some of the classic car insurance companies and big car shows to recognize and endorse Element. We have been endorsed and written into the rule books of one race championship so far for 2018 and are also actively discussing with several other race and DE groups. One of the blessings/curses of this product is that there are so many avenues for distribution that every day it is a question of choosing which to pursue so the future is pretty exciting but incredibly busy.

Regarding marine approval, in the US marine defaults to UL for their standard and it is totally un-bending. When UL comes boating will come by default but until then we can only legally sell the product as a supplement and not a substitute by what is legally required. Luckily as long as you have what is required by law (no matter how buried it is) then you are totally free to have and use Element. Personal cars and your home for instance have no legal requirements so having an Element is a free choice without having to supplement it with anything else.

Hello,
I sent you guys a question via your web site but no response so far.

Will you send these extinguishers to Australia via Surface Mail (Ship)?

Regards,

Frank

[safe]

I would like to see a comparison with the alternative, a small dry powder extinguisher with the same fires.

[tdw28210]

Originally Posted by safe

I would like to see a comparison with the alternative, a small dry powder extinguisher with the same fires.

I think it is awesome that a fellow Pelican created this. However, I agree. I need to know the performance of an Element vs. the standard Kiddie bottles most of us cruise around with. (yeah, I will pitch in $10).

[RDM]

Agreed. I wouldn't expect a small extinguisher to put out a big fire. I was actually pretty impressed with the fire suppression part of this.

[75 911s]

Great video. Product doesn't look suitable for an engine fire. Not sure what else would be an appropriate reason to carry this in your vehicle.

It may be similar to a small kiddie bottle, but the blasting distance is greatly reduced. You have to hold this near the source to extinguish.

Despite this, I'd keep a couple around - if they weren't so expensive. $100.00 (tax and shipping) for the 50 seems like a lot. I would pay more like $40 given what I saw in the video.

Again, thanks for making the video Karl, and to those who supported it!

[Mark Salvetti]

It also looks disappointingly corrosive to aluminum. It was just briefly waved over that aluminum test plate, but if it was left on there longer (like a real fire) the damage would have been much worse.

Doesn't seem any better than a conventional extinguisher in that case. It's small size might make it attractive as a supplement to a Halotron if that runs out before the fire is out? Just carry both?

Mark

[Element Fire]

I would like to compliment Karl on his testing initiative and the high production quality of his video. The filming and editing is first rate and the various testing scenarios were well thought out. I also appreciate that he took a 'you judge for yourself' approach rather than offer his opinions which is so often the case with this kind of test. That said I would like to respectfully offer some information to help better understand what is seen in the video.

The fire test was generally well done but did have one significant issue that affected the results. On the larger fires the extinguisher was held too close to the flames to allow the gas to saturate the area around the fire. The technique of getting close and sweeping the base of the fire is appropriate for a powder extinguisher but is not for a gas extinguisher. This applies not only to the Element but also to CO2 or a Halon/Halotron extinguisher. Had the tester moved back a little then the gas would have had the chance to surround the fire and put it out. It was disappointing that a pro firefighter missed that however it re-enforces our need to create the correct educational materials to best prepare our customers for an emergency. One cool thing was that the close proximity to the liquid fire demonstrated that the Element did not blow the liquid out of the pan into a big fire ball as would have occurred with any compressed bottle type extinguisher.

Our website has been recently updated with a new Media section that shows more fire scenarios including a car engine fire. In all the videos the people putting out the fires were not pros and had limited or no experience putting out a fire with an Element. They were however told that the goal is to create a cloud around the fire in order to put it out and the results are plain to see.

One interesting test that Karl did show in his video was the fire being put out behind the mesh. That scenario perfectly shows how you can point the gas from an Element through a cracked open hood or a grille to saturate an area before opening the hood to finish off a fire. This ‘pre saturation’ will greatly reduce the chance of a flare up when opening the hood because the gas (which is heavier than air) will block incoming oxygen from feeding the flames. Definitely a cool illustration.