I am little confused here. My 89 3.2 25th Anniversary Edition has this system, and it fits great? Mine has heat too. Did I miss something here? My 89 was even the 5th from the last ever produced by Porsche. So it cant get much later than mine.

Chris,

An interesting point to read with my coffee this morning. I too had the same system on my 87.

Are you in the mood to snap a picture alike what Trakrat posted in the beginning of the thread so we can see how or if your auxiliary air outlet tube ties into the heat box inlets.

Sounds like a few squat thrusts, sit ups, cardboard crawls and limited head banging would be needed to take a pic; naturally the muffler is gonna block part of the view.

Could save Tony from getting north east road salts on his tub. And, it might keep this controversial free speech thread alive. Else, its on to the comics section.

Test and confirm........
 

Chris & Kuehl,

I am beginning to believe that you brought up some interesting subject. Trakrat’s set up could be different from the original factory configuration and could be verified by simply doing some physical check up and inspection. We had snow yesterday and would wait for several days before I decide to take the car for a spin.

A picture of the correct set up with some measurements would tell us where the problem lies.

Tony

The only things this snow is good for is people with ACL's still attached, and sticking the ball on the green with 150+ yard fairway shots.

Hi Tony... please look at the picture I posted on post #50. This picture was from Fabspeed's own website showing a setup on a 3.2.
This is all I need. That's it.... 'a picture is worth a thousand words' right?

I mean... the picture CAME FROM FABSPEED'S OWN WEBSITE. That's what's crazy about this.

And I'm still being told that 'well... maybe your car isn't completely stock'... but it's the same one as that picture.

It's like I ordered a Porsche with a 6 speed manual... and when I got the car, it's an automatic... and the dealer is trying to convince me they don't make 6 speed manuals for Porsches... even though I can go to Porsche's website and prove they do.

Mine is in storage...and I will go today and see if I can snap those pics today......glad to help a brutha out.

Trakrat,

What if you were to assume for the moment:

A) The stainless steel tube you are seeing on Fabspeeds website, connecting the aux heater outlet tube to the inlets in the heater boxes, was something from an earlier version of their RSR with heat header system Fabspeed originally designed years back for the 3.2 (and they did not update the product picture to show the silicone tube version you and "others" have). And,

B) In order for Fabspeed to fabricate what you want they need a 3.2 vehicle loaned to them, and they need to remove its exhaust system, bolt on the RSR with heat version, hack to get together a good working prototype, make some fixtures to insure production units fit. And, remove the RSR system from the loaner car and bolt back on any oil lines that were removed and the original exhaust system with all new gaskets (it can be a task removing that old OE cat, and lots of issues with rust on joints where things connect; I had one of these systems on my car). But, its gonna be awhile before that happened. And,

C) If you find another 3.2 owner here with the RSR heat system and their car has the stainless steel version of the connector pipe, it simply means they obtained that system before the silicone version was introduced. And,

D) No one has a "bolt on" solution for you at this moment, including Fabspeed, which you can have in your hand today, And,

E) Since you had the system coated "white" you intended to keep it.


A few questions:

1) Did Fabspeed send you any pieces, and suggest you try to cut the silicone tube and adapt it using their parts? And, if so did you attempt to try that? And, if so, what was the result?

2) Have you considered locating some plastic or steel steel tubing/pipe of the size close to what you need, and attempted to cut and hose clamp banding them together to something that would fit, and ship it off to Fabspeed and ask them to make it "look like the picture"?

3) What metal fab or muffler shops have you contacted in your area to see if they could cut and weld some tubing together to make it work? And, if so what was the out come?

It is not the having of issues with a vendor..... we are only human..... it is how the vendor rectifies the situation.... that is how they should be judged.....

You're killin me mate... you are putting in a lot of effort into my thread to try to give Fabspeed the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not sure what your affiliation is with them, but I'll play your game... for now.

Yes... a pipe, and they suggested I cut up the silicon hose and try to make the pipe fit... however, Fabspeed is aware that any modification I do to my exhaust voids any warranty claim or return. So I chose NOT to 'cut up or modify' my exhaust.

HUH? I don't understand this question... isn't this called R&D that vendors do to make sure their parts fit customer cars? If I could do all this, I might as well start my own exhaust shop... as I'd clearly have an edge over Fabspeed. HA!

I had thought I already bought my exhaust from a metal fab, muffler shop. I could certainly spend more money fixing the problem... but then that doesn't really 'fix' the cause of the problem though. (If you get a flat tire from driving over a pothole, do you ONLY fix the tire? or do you make sure the city fixes the pothole too???)

But let's assume for the moment that you work for Fabspeed...
Shouldn't you be asking yourself all these same questions?

3.2 Carreras are the HIGHEST production # cars of their time... surely a shop could find a 3.2 in their area to just look at and compare.

That's all I have to say on the subject...

As mentioned before, I appreciate Paul@ Fabspeed reaching out to me so quickly (funny how quick Fabspeed is to respond when something negative is posted) and asking me to make a post to let everyone know he has contacted me. I did my end of the bargain... 'nuff said.

If and when Fabspeed finds a solution that benefits ALL OF OUR 1984-1989 Carreras... I will post it and let you know.

I have no affiliation with Fabspeed.
I have met the owner of Fabspeed (FS). We are not related.
I do not benefit in any way by posting comments on this thread about
FS.

I purchased one FS product and had positive comments overall.

I have had the same FS RSR with heat exhaust system on my 3.2 that you have, plus 4 other brands of exhaust systems. The current one is a Dansk for severe winter heat and to test small primaries vs. larger. The Dansk has issues but it is what it is. It will come off in the Spring and larger primaries without heater boxes will go back on, kinda like changing snow tires for summer performance.

I have had the same issue that you have in terms of fitment of the silicone pipe, however I did not need the silicone pipe because I used the 2 stock booster kick panel blowers to pull air through the heat exchangers. But, I did play around with pondering how I would make it work if I needed it.

I do agree that a Vendor (any) should attempt to resolve a problem, if it is resolvable in a mutual way, where both parties walk away with something (sometimes that simply does not happen). Such as when a product fails 3 times in a row, on the same car, installed by the same customer, while the same product is not failing on a 1,000+ other cars. The customer is always right, but they are not, but they are if they are happy.

I agree that there are xx,xxx 3.2's out there and there is a market for improved or modified exhaust systems.

I agree Fabspeed sells to the market above. How many units are sold with the current design is unknown.

I can't seem to find any other posts here on PP or Renn that address this problem: a customer whom purchased the same exhaust system to be installed on a 3.2 and cannot or did not resolve an issue with the silicone pipe manifold.

That being said.....

You have posted this issue on 2 forums over the past year, on PP twice, or so far you have not had a resolution which makes you a happy camper.

Putting the "negative title" to try to get a resolution to make you a happy camper to the side for the moment.....

It is common for a vendor whom markets many products to have outdated product pictures. You can find this issue here on PP. Updates to pics take a lot of time and effort.

Below is a picture of the RSR system on FS's site. It shows the silicone tube, not a stainless tube. As well, they have a picture on their site which shows a similar system on an SC however without the silicone tube, maybe because of the backdate.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1520267053.jpg


I find it hard to believe that Fabspeed would void any warranty if they suggested you cut and modify a silicone tube. I believe the normal thought would be they would send you another if you had problems cutting the silicone (I usually use a long serrated bread knife or my band saw). I would imagine if that was the solution to the problem in the end they would include some instructions with the system. I would imagine taking pictures of how you resolved it might help a vendor. Heck, they may even have some empathy for all your sorrow's and toss in a free something in return: say a Fabspeed T shirt or decals you can put on your tool box.

Whom benefits from the solution to your pain and suffering? Naturally you and other clients of the FS system, Pelican benefits because many readers on the forum enjoy reading about solutions to problems, not so much vendor bashing and politics, but rather the mechanical solution.

And, if my posts are killing you don't take it personally, I've gotten burned in the threads here and there. It is simply part of the price you pay for free speech.

Trak, did this get resolved? Best, John

All,

We have contacted Trakrat and will rectify his fitment issues. Please do not hesitate to contact me directly with any questions on the products we provide. I can be reached directly at paul@fabspeed.com. It is a pleasure to serve this community, I appreciate the feedback. Our roots began with Porsche and we are dedicated to making sure everyone who purchases our products are satisfied.

sorry... no resolution. a couple weeks ago they asked me to measure the silicon hose, which I sent them. Hadn't heard anything since.
:confused:

I decided to ship them the actual silicon hose back to them last week. (Why ask me for measurements when they could of just had me ship the part back?????)

In all honesty, I don't expect to get a resolution... I mean, it's been nearly a year and if it hasn't been resolved by now, I'd have better odds at winning the Powerball lottery. :rolleyes:

So I took these pics and forgot to post them, as I had offered to do. Not sure they are any help anymore. This is a late 89 3.2 Carrera, 4th from the last torsion-bar/aircooled car ever built in fact. It has some 964 parts....like the left front fender and the rear window and window gasket for example.

http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/167223703.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/167223704.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/167223706.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/167223707.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/167223708.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/167223709.jpg

Duc,

Thank you for the pictures! We received Trakrats ducting several days ago and are working on the the fitment issue. We will make it right. Please know we have sold hundreds of our systems without fitment issues....that being said these cars were hand built and fitment issues arise. We will make this right for Trakrat! I can always be reached at paul@fabspeed.com. Resolution to come.

Duc,

Nice shots. I can't see any hacks on the silicone connector tube.
Maybe the metal tube coming down through the engine surround tin
in the LH rear corner is a bit more vertical than stock; I recall a short blubber
sleeve is suppose to be inserted in that elongated hole in the tin.

'...hand built cars...'. That's going to be line this week.
"Well your Honor. I do not deny what Officer McDougal saw on his radar display could be 149 mph. And, if I was exceeding the speed limit all I can say is its because my car is a hand built car".

Did you read the entire thread or do you suffer from premature react-ulation?

I see this as a win win in the end.


Trakrat got his issue resolved and showed appreciation.
Fabspeed handled it nicely. Everybody makes mistakes, this one was fixed correctly.

Win
Win

it looks like the center of the silicon hose is 'hacked'... and then taped back together?

Awesome pics... thanks for posting

Do you have a pic of inside the engine bay that shows where this leads up to??

Also... any pics of the entire hose? Obviously you had to muscle it on there somehow, I'm curious where your hose has the most flex.

I am out of town right now so I can shoot any again until Friday or Sat. The car is pretty low so getting a pic of the whole this is a little challenging. I will try though.There was not a lot of muscling it in place as I remember, but it was a while ago.

Here is a shot form the top. All stock.
http://www.pbase.com/mrcjb60290/image/160497243.jpg