Decoding Help

GotaT · 08-03-2012, 06:43 AM

can someone help tell me what I have here

68 912 non sunroof 3 guage

Vin: 451440
Eng: 221664 - Possibly VW?
Trans: k2477 ? 18/65

Value?

Matt Monson · 08-03-2012, 08:24 AM

That's a '65, not a '68. You buying or selling?

Rick Becker · 09:04 AM

Click this 912 Registry link for starters. First digit of early engines should start with a 7 or 8. Try obtaining a factory Certificate of Authenticity for the original engine and trannie numbers.

912 Registry | VIN Table

Click the other buttons on that webpage for trannie number sequences, paint codes, etc.

GotaT · 05:54 PM

Looking for a friend.. sorry for the mistype of year..

Best I could tell after looking at the site mentioned is that it is a Non porsche engine. Would someone agree?

What do you think the value would be considering paint is black and faded, front pan is new, little to no rust with exception that front of passenger floor had a hole and was fiberglass repaired. tires ok, wheels appear original but didnt check year stamp, 3 guages good shape showing 109k miles, dash has a cover, seats good, carpets ok, ... etc. Used condition.

JT912 · 08-03-2012, 05:54 PM

Are you certain about the engine number? On the 912Vin site, chassis number 451438 is listed and the trans number is given as 223058. Might your engine number be the trans number? The engine for 451438 is listed as 741055 so I'd expect a correct on to be of a similar number.
This could (should) be a painted dash car which does ad some value. Black was also a rarer color. What color interior? Does it have the paint code on the drivers hinge post?
Can you post pictures of the engine? There are some telling differences between Porsche and VW motors.
Naturally the extent of the rust will be a big factor in determining the value of the car. I just sold a '66 with rust, but running engine for $5000. I would assume this car, if it is a driver, would be valued around $10K +/-.

Matt Monson · 08-04-2012, 02:56 PM

JT is in the ballpark and not jerking you around. Post pictures if you can. And get the actual type number and serial number of both the engine of the gearbox. How to identify them is posted all over the internet.

GotaT · 05:33 AM

Sorry for the delay. The car is black now, however it's a repaint. Original color is a white code 6404

I sourced what I have as the engine number right under the intake manifold. It also had an * on each side of the number.

I will have to go back and look closer for all the numbers and see about pictures.

Would one of you please tell me the specific spots to check for these numbers?
And can you tell me the easiest way to Verify Porsche 912 Engine from any VW? - Still learing
Thanks

Jaems · 08-06-2012, 08:20 AM

The engine number will be just above the pulley and on the base of the generator stand

Matt Monson · 08-06-2012, 08:35 AM

The gearbox type and serial number will be on the bottom rib of the bellhousing pointing towards the ground. They often get a fair bit of road grime on them. It will probably start with 902/0 or 902/01 and then a 7 digit number. The 11 digit numbers you will find cast into the casing and end cover and what not are casting numbers/part numbers. They won't tell too much. You've already found the casting date, which is 18/65, meaning the castings were done in the 18th week of 1965.

Regards,

Matt

GotaT · 08-07-2012, 05:29 AM

Should all 912's this year have an aluminum Vin tag up front close to the bumper under the hood? Dont see it nor any rivet holes where one normally is.

JT912 · 08-07-2012, 05:53 AM

A '65/'66 will have the tag by the smugglers box. It will be near the stamped chassis number. If it has carpet in the front, you'll need to pull it up.

GotaT · 08-07-2012, 06:31 AM

I saw the stamped vin below the smugglers box lid. Are you saying there is another tag near the stamped one, if so, which direction, and will it be an aluminum tag?

JT912 · 08-08-2012, 06:35 AM

Here ya go.
Posting pictures of your car relating to your questions can also help get extra info on your car.

GotaT · 08-08-2012, 06:00 PM

Vin: 451440 Tells me its a 66
Eng: 753155 with no other stamping near distributor, case halves top or bottom. I failed to look near the lower pulley...
Trans: 902/1 221664 I didnt see this early of a number listed ???

So from doing some reading Ive found that "if an engine only has the one stamping that I found its possible that the riginal was ruined and a new oem one was installed. the reason no other stampings would be because the new engine did not come with the stampings and up to the installer to restamp". Is this true?

GotaT · 08-08-2012, 06:06 PM

Jaems · 08-09-2012, 08:48 AM

The engine is a 67 912 and the transaxle is a 5 speed and most likely original to the car.

Also the distributor is a VW 009. Which does not have a good curve for a street 912 engine. You will need to replace it with a one of the following: 022 , 031, or the RS0012. The RS0012 is a recurve 009 that fits the 912 engine very well and is cheaper than the other two.

The 009 and the 050 are two to stay away from. They will work in a pinch. But not with the performance that the 912 is capable.

GotaT · 08-09-2012, 09:15 AM

Are all of the RS0012 labeled as such on the outside? Or would it still be stamped 009. If it looks the same on the outside 009 how can you tell if its been recurved?

I didnt see the trans # listed on the trans number page I found. None were listed with this low of a number, can someone help explain

Also, Can one give me the reason as to only having the one engine serial #

Thanks

Jaems · 08-09-2012, 01:20 PM

There is only one engine in the car.

The case is in three parts. They have casting numbers that are match and the serial number is on the third piece and the only piece that you read the number. The other two are mostly covered by the fan shroud.

I think that Benton restamped the RS0012 when they are recurved. I do not have one. I use a 031.

The transaxel numbers started at 220001 for the 902/1. The 902/0 4 speed starts at 163001. Most 66 transaxels were 902/0, originally, for the US market. The 902/1 could be had as a special order for US cars, in 66.

GotaT · 08-09-2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaems

There is only one engine in the car.

The case is in three parts. They have casting numbers that are match and the serial number is on the third piece and the only piece that you read the number. The other two are mostly covered by the fan shroud.

I think that Benton restamped the RS0012 when they are recurved. I do not have one. I use a 031.

The transaxel numbers started at 220001 for the 902/1. The 902/0 4 speed starts at 163001. Most 66 transaxels were 902/0, originally, for the US market. The 902/1 could be had as a special order for US cars, in 66.

So then this car is a late or early 65? With an optional 5 speed - correct for its year and vin.
The engine would not be a match though because its a 67?
Is this right ?

Matt Monson · 08-09-2012, 06:21 PM

With that gearbox number and vin you are looking at a chassis that was built in 1965 and sold as a MY66 vehicle. If you check the 912 registry it will give a good idea of when your car was built, but I would guess 3rd to 4th quarter of 1965.