|
|
|
|
| Author |
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 52
|
Timing Belt parts list... anything I am missing?
So, I just bought my 87 844 Turbo and am going to be doing some maintenance to it and want to know what you guys think about my parts list I am making. There may be an easier way to piece this all together, if so, let me know. Or see anything I am missing? Also, what are the best write ups to use while doing the install? Thanks in advance!
Front Engine Seal Kit Which one do I need? #1 or #2? OR if I got them from Pelican Parts, I couldn't tell which set to get? Kevlar Timing Belt Kit - Rennbay $335 Water Pump - Vertex $289 Water Pump Gasket - Vertex $3.45 Thermostat - Vertex $13.95 Kricket Belt Tool - Rennbay $22 Timing Belt Wrench - Rennbay $19.50 --- Would I be better off buying this tool kit instead? Do I need more than the above 2? 944online.com $150 Ignition Tune-Up Kit - Rennbay $172 Mahle Oil Filter - Rennbay $7.75 Oil - Castrol 20w50, how many quarts? |
||
08-23-2011, 12:07 PM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 2,695
|
#2 has the oil pump drive gear. if u wanna go all out and replace everything....yea sure get #2.
u'll absolutely need the arnnworx kit for the flywheel lock. the special 2pin wrench is nice to use as is the flat bent wrench. just get the 5qt jug. u'll use it all eventually |
||
|
08-23-2011, 12:42 PM
|
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 52
|
Quote:
what is most common to do for the timing belt change, #1 or #2 for the engine seal kits... there is a fairly big price difference. how many qts go in the engine? I heard to get 7 and put 6.5, so a 5qt jug wouldnt quite do it... |
||
|
08-23-2011, 01:08 PM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 2,695
|
if u wanna just get it all done and over with, get it all in #2. most of the time, u won't need the balance shaft sleeves though. it all depends on how worn they are currently.
or if u don't mind having the downtime, take it apart first and order what u need. hmm i guess 6 and half is what its supposed to be. i've always just put in 5 and topped off as necessary. never bothered measuring |
||
|
08-23-2011, 01:13 PM
|
|
|
Proprietoristicly Refined
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ~Carefree Highway~
Posts: 5,833
|
Hello dmw319,
Congratulations on the new car. You spent a lot of time gathering the information on parts. This is commendable as many new owners are unable to understand the total concept of the project. I will go down your list: Do not buy #1 or #2. Pelican has the same parts for less money. Seal kit with shaft races $106.50: Pelican Parts - Product Information: 10-0507-099-M260 Oil pump drive sleeve $44.25: Pelican Parts - Product Information: 944-107-161-02-M260 Additional "O" ring for oil pump sleeve $1.75: Pelican Parts - Product Information: 999-707-283-40-M213 Additional cam housing sponge seal $1.50 Pelican Parts - Product Information: 928-105-184-00-M260 Total cost $154.00 Kevlar timing belt kit Rennbay. Sure, go for it. Kevlar belt is overkill. Waterpump--Vertex NO Why? Quality bad. ********** rebuilt waterpump - Rennlist Discussion Forums You should buy a new pump from Pelican for $303 to go along with the Kevlar timing belt if quality is an issue and money not a problem. Pelican Parts - Product Information: 951-106-021-10-M59 Otherwise you should get a rebuilt from Zims allzims.com for about $98 exchange with a 2 year warranty. The best rebuilt on the market done by a quality rebuilder. Get a new waterpump bolt kit as well. Thermostat-Pelican Get a new radiator cap as well-Pelican. Get a new radiator fan relay/switch as well-Pelican Krikut belt tool DO NOT BUY! The tool is useless. Get the Arnnworx tools Home or have a shop tension the belt if you are nervous after you try. You have the Porsche "mechanical spring belt tensioner" Search. Nylor just did it with no additonal tools. Timing belt tools. Get the flywheel lock from Pelican for $44.50 or buy it from Arnnworx when you get his tension tools. Tune up kit. I'm tired, sure get it Mahle oil filter---yeah! Pelican Castrol oil. What did the PO previous owner use? Was it Castrol? If yes, yeah- I use it. Use what was in the car previously. Decide later to change. What did I forget? A lot. GL John
__________________
1988 924S, 85,750K ..+ 1987 924S, 154K DD (+15K est. bad odo) Last edited by John_AZ; 08-23-2011 at 02:34 PM.. |
||
|
08-23-2011, 02:26 PM
|
|
|
Proprietoristicly Refined
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ~Carefree Highway~
Posts: 5,833
|
EDIT:
Now I remember: What are the best writeups? Arnnworx has very good explanations and additional information you need. Projects & DIY Links Van from Rennlist has excellent videos: Water pump videos on post 1 Front seal video on post 36 Belt video on post 38 Read the whole post. DIY - how to change water pump (and belts) - Rennlist Discussion Forums Gl and keep posting if you stumble or unsure. John
__________________
1988 924S, 85,750K ..+ 1987 924S, 154K DD (+15K est. bad odo) |
||
|
08-23-2011, 02:33 PM
|
|
|
|
....
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 18,750
|
Quote:
Buy: timing belt (regular) balance shaft belt All rollers (there is a kit out there) water pump with gasket front engine reseal kit you will need a spanner and flywheel lock. You can tension the belts by hand. with the extra money saved you can pay someone to do it, or buy lots and lots of good beer!
__________________
dolor et pavor Copyright |
||
|
08-23-2011, 02:48 PM
|
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 52
|
Thanks!!
Questions, will I need either of these? Timing Belt Guide Rail for 944 Water Pump Special Lock Nut for 944 Water Pump Guide Rail |
||
|
08-24-2011, 06:08 AM
|
|
|
Proprietoristicly Refined
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ~Carefree Highway~
Posts: 5,833
|
Your '87 turbo should have the upgraded "turbo" pump with the the belt rail/nuts already.
John
__________________
1988 924S, 85,750K ..+ 1987 924S, 154K DD (+15K est. bad odo) |
||
|
08-24-2011, 06:16 AM
|
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 52
|
Great, thanks John!
My main question.... If the engine seal kit, oil cooler seal, turbo thermostat, and rollers were ALL done in 2006 (only 10k ago) should I go ahead and skip these and just do the 2 belts and water pump/gasket/thermo?
__________________
'87 944T Last edited by dmw319; 08-24-2011 at 07:14 AM.. |
||
|
08-24-2011, 06:57 AM
|
|
|
Proprietoristicly Refined
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ~Carefree Highway~
Posts: 5,833
|
The rollers will last at least 45K---Porsche suggests 60K but that is too much.
FYI the origninal rollers put on when new were defective and cracked --just history. Your rollers should be OK. Just get the belts. When you pull the belts off, spin the rollers and feel for "grit" , noise, wobble----now you have to get a new roller. This is just a basic check, yours should be OK. If the engine seal kit was done 10K ago, it should be OK. When you pull the rear belt guards you can check for leaks & oil paths if you do not see them now. When the engine seal kit was done, the front crank seal and "O" ring should have been replaced as well. You can check if it is leaking by seeing if oil is leaking from the front crank down the oil pan. If you see a leak you have to replace the front crank seal and "O" ring. FYI--a new front crank seal will be ruined if the oil pump sleeve has a groove from the front crank seal lips that touch the crank. If any oil has pooled on the inside lower belt covers the seal is bad as well and need to be replaced. GL John
__________________
1988 924S, 85,750K ..+ 1987 924S, 154K DD (+15K est. bad odo) |
||
|
08-24-2011, 07:20 AM
|
|
|
Proprietoristicly Refined
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ~Carefree Highway~
Posts: 5,833
|
Why are you going with a low temp thermostat?
The car should get up to normal operating temps for performance and emissions . Usually a low temp is 75C. A normal thermostat is 83C Tune up kit seems high. Did you price out individually? 9am---back to work .... Gl John
__________________
1988 924S, 85,750K ..+ 1987 924S, 154K DD (+15K est. bad odo) |
||
|
08-24-2011, 08:03 AM
|
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 52
|
John, updated some links in my post. look better?
Also, looks like all my researching the past 2 days paid off. I just spent $685.78 on all my Porsche parts! I got most of it from Zims after all instead of going everywhere. Only thing I didnt get there was the specialty tools 
__________________
'87 944T Last edited by dmw319; 08-24-2011 at 12:09 PM.. |
||
|
08-24-2011, 08:23 AM
|
|
|
Proprietoristicly Refined
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ~Carefree Highway~
Posts: 5,833
|
Quote:
Quality tools will not strip and fall apart with a little torque. Get SnapOn or similiar metric hex and a set of 4 common triple square. Let us know how the "new" Arnnworx belt tension tool works for you. As I mentioned, your car has the Porsche mechanical spring tensioner that gets the belt tension close. Set the tension per Porsche spring tension specs and then use the Arnnworx tool to compare. Clarks-Garage has a belt tension quide as well. Timing Belt and Balance Shaft Belt Tensioning I buy most of my maintenance parts on Pelican, the forum sponsor whenever possible. GL John
__________________
1988 924S, 85,750K ..+ 1987 924S, 154K DD (+15K est. bad odo) |
||
|
08-24-2011, 02:34 PM
|
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 52
|
Great! Thanks so much for your help John. I think I'll buy the snap on tool if I cant find a quality one here in town somewhere or from a friend
__________________
'87 944T |
||
|
08-25-2011, 05:31 AM
|
|
