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[sonett3]

They don't have the Ba--- to.

[Fabio421]

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[sonett3]

Originally Posted by Fabio421

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[Herr-Kuhn]

What's "incoming" are the results of this 3071R Twin Turbo build, 421.

[sonett3]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

What's "incoming" are the results of this 3071R Twin Turbo build, 421.

He will be done here at the shop this weekend.

[hacker-pschorr]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Everything on the &hitlist has come full circle. The upper mid-western nay-sayers on turbo technology / cutting holes in the car have now decided to twin turbo their own car and seem to have found use for a plasma cutter an/or oxy cutter plus hole saws. The cyber-loser punk moderator is no longer in control of anything and the place is now under new management. What a paradigm shift!

Wow, UNBELIEVABLE, I mean REALLY UNBELIEVABLE!

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Ask me if I care.

If you didn't care you wouldn't have said anything.....

Todd has been boosting and modifying vehicles since before I had my driver’s license and before Tim Murphy even owned a 928.

Point is, what Todd does is his own project. I don't speak for him, nobody does and he doesn't speak for anyone else. To associate what anyone else has said to Todd is downright pathetic, way lower than I thought you or your brother would ever stoop to.

Yes he was a key player in developing the Murf928 kit. His first supercharged 928 pre-dates the Murf setup by quite a few years and was the basis for the Murf928 design (actually his supercharged motorcycle which he started in the 80's was the basis for everything.....)
In fact, that first supercharged 928 was supposed to be a twin turbo, for reasons not worth going into, they choose to supercharge it. When I say "they" it's because Todd is involved with another 928 owner who is quite far removed from Rennlist and all things related to any forum.

Climbing on your soapbox and practically ripping on Todd is great for your reputation. He is a very well respected fabricator, welder, metallurgist, and all around great human being. He has always had high praise for your projects and I've shared this praise with you privately on more than one occasion.
But you, who has never met the man, jump in here to bad mouth his project.

As for me being a "ay-sayers on turbo technology"..... maybe you forgot about the conversations you and I had many years ago about using YOUR hot-side parts to turbo my 79 track car. I might still have the e-mail somewhere in my archive....... But I doubt you would be interested since I fully expect you to deny those conversations, or your offer to make me those parts.

I still give you full credit for the help you gave me with my ignition system by passing on the findings of Mr.Callaway, information I'm sure you would take back if you could. If it were not for that information I’m sure I would have blown my motor.
For that I still thank you.

[sonett3]

The clown has come out .

[sonett3]

I wounder what other clown will come after Erik. That's wait and see!!!!

[Herr-Kuhn]

Never ripped on anything Todd is building, has built, or him as a person Eric. What I do find ironic is you and others over the many years have continually made comments (going out of your way to do so) about my work, making comments like: cutting holes is bad, turbos run too hot, destroyed exhaust valves, exhaust back pressure, etc. Yet when your friend makes a car with the same technology now it's all positive, in fact I doubt any of you even mention turbo lag, burned valves, etc. when you have the conversation now. Why is that? Selective amnesia? Cat got your tongue? Wow, how I remember the comments about how this sort of a build was dismissed years ago as "unfavorable".

No need to read into anything else and I'm sorry you see this as a rip on Todd, it's not it's just to bring to light your flip-flip standpoint on only giving priase to things you and your friends do while you still find time to make negative comments on my system pricing and the like.

How is me stating that a build that requires cutting and uses turbos is a rip on Todd? Sounds like what I do so why would I make that claim? Oh, the irony! Did you make that one up too? I see nothing negative stated about the build, not even remotely negative. Long shot there, big time. What's not a long shot is your flip flop attitude on subjects that seemingly change depending on who is doing the work. Such a shame. Objective?...you are not, Eric.

Mark told me about your recent ramblings about "why anybody would pay for a TT setup over a CS when you look at HP/$" and then you make a calculation only on peak numbers. WOW! You let me know when you're ready to have that lb per lb shootout on the same machine and we'll do it.

Eric, I will say at least you have the testicular fortitude to sign your name to the posts unlike some of the rest of the crowd

Have a nice day and try not to get so angry when someone feeds you a taste of your own medicine.

[sonett3]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Never ripped on anything Todd is building, has built, or him as a person Eric. What I do find ironic is you and others over the many years have continually made comments (going out of your way to do so) about my work, making comments like: cutting holes is bad, turbos run too hot, destroyed exhaust valves, exhaust back pressure, etc. Yet when your friend makes a car with the same technology now it's all positive, in fact I doubt any of you even mention turbo lag, burned valves, etc. when you have the conversation now. Why is that? Selective amnesia? Cat got your tongue? Wow, how I remember the comments about how this sort of a build was dismissed years ago as "unfavorable".

No need to read into anything else and I'm sorry you see this as a rip on Todd, it's not it's just to bring to light your flip-flip standpoint on only giving priase to things you and your friends do while you still find time to make negative comments on my system pricing and the like.

How is me stating that a build that requires cutting and uses turbos is a rip on Todd? Sounds like what I do so why would I make that claim? Oh, the irony! Did you make that one up too? I see nothing negative stated about the build, not even remotely negative. Long shot there, big time. What's not a long shot is your flip flop attitude on subjects that seemingly change depending on who is doing the work. Such a shame. Objective?...you are not, Eric.

Mark told me about your recent ramblings about "why anybody would pay for a TT setup over a CS when you look at HP/$" and then you make a calculation only on peak numbers. WOW! You let me know when you're ready to have that lb per lb shootout on the same machine and we'll do it.

Eric, I will say at least you have the testicular fortitude to sign your name to the posts unlike some of the rest of the crowd

Have a nice day and try not to get so angry when someone feeds you a taste of your own medicine.

[hacker-pschorr]

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Never ripped on anything Todd is building, has built, or him as a person Eric. What I do find ironic is you and others over the many years have continually made comments (going out of your way to do so) about my work, making comments like: cutting holes is bad, turbos run too hot, destroyed exhaust valves, exhaust back pressure, etc. Yet when your friend makes a car with the same technology now it's all positive, in fact I doubt any of you even mention turbo lag, burned valves, etc. when you have the conversation now. Why is that? Selective amnesia? Cat got your tongue? Wow, how I remember the comments about how this sort of a build was dismissed years ago as "unfavorable".

Sorry John, this is you twisting what was said, again.

The issue of heat is valid in many areas with a turbo car and you know it. Todd hasn't begun to address this yet with his car. In fact, this is the #1 reason why turbo-charging the other 928 was scrapped over 10 years ago. It wasn’t deemed “worth the effort” back then.
You should see the piles of heat protection material Todd has gathered to test on his car.
One other turbo car he helped build has a set of custom made inconel blankets over the turbo and hot side parts. Have you ever priced out making those?

Todd and I are also discussing what sort of coating he's going to apply to the inside of the combustion chamber and exhaust ports to combat heat and possibly new valves designed for this setup. The initial test mule will most likely be a stock motor to get the ball rolling.

I never said "cutting holes was bad" just simply pointed out that is a part of your kit. Facts are facts unless you modified the kit. I've stated "some people would be turned off by that" which is 100% true. You cannot please everyone. I also suggested painting the vents in the bumper body color, which is a suggestion I’ve seen other people make, yet you are not accusing them of bashing your kit.

No mentioning of turbo lag? Every time I’m at Todd’s garage (which is often) it comes up. He has a few ideas on the brain to help combat the lag.

For the record, none of these “issues” were a concern to Todd with the supercharged car. He only wrapped the procharger in a protective blanket to combat the noise. That is one loud supercharger and not the same unit used in the Murf928 kits which are much quieter, to the point of almost unnoticeable with the hood closed.

Just because a local friend is building this car, that doesn't mean these issues go away.

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

No need to read into anything else and I'm sorry you see this as a rip on Todd, it's not it's just to bring to light your flip-flip standpoint on only giving priase to things you and your friends do while you still find time to make negative comments on my system pricing and the like.

I post the pictures and the specs – the rest speaks for itself. Todd isn’t building a “kit” either. Todd will be the first to admit that for a bolt on application, the supercharger is the way to go.

Negative comments on the price? Posting facts? It costs what it costs. If you see that as a negative, drop the price!!!! My God John, this is the same old story with you. If any utters any comment about your kit that is not 100% positive, you take it as bashing. Unreal but it is expected.

Funny how you are not addressing my interest in your hot side parts for my 79……guess that doesn’t fit into your claim that I “bash turbo’s all the time” since I’ve been talking to you about turboing my 79 since before and after my 81 was supercharged. Who’s flip-flopping now?

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

How is me stating that a build that requires cutting and uses turbos is a rip on Todd? Sounds like what I do so why would I make that claim? Oh, the irony! Did you make that one up too? I see nothing negative stated about the build, not even remotely negative. Long shot there, big time.

In my opinion, using Todd’s project as a spring board to open up this very old wound is an insult to Todd.
Why?
Because he never had anything to do with any discussion, argument, or thread. Ever……is that clear enough?

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

What's not a long shot is your flip flop attitude on subjects that seemingly change depending on who is doing the work. Such a shame. Objective?...you are not, Eric.

Once again, where is my flip flop? January 12, 2007 was the last e-mail I sent to you asking about using your hot side parts on my car for a turbo track car.

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Mark told me about your recent ramblings about "why anybody would pay for a TT setup over a CS when you look at HP/$" and then you make a calculation only on peak numbers. WOW! You let me know when you're ready to have that lb per lb shootout on the same machine and we'll do it.

Performance numbers have been posted and the cost comparison is what it is. I stated my opinion and you do not agree. Fine, no need to get all worked up over it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – the extra cost, install complications etc… outweighs any possible performance increases for a street car.
I’m not expecting you to agree with this John. Sometimes I get the feeling you think I’m trying to change your mind or something.

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Eric, I will say at least you have the testicular fortitude to sign your name to the posts unlike some of the rest of the crowd

Honestly, I should have listened to the dozen or so people who sent me PM’s and e-mail’s asking me to ignore you. If it were not involving Todd, I would have.

Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn

Have a nice day and try not to get so angry when someone feeds you a taste of your own medicine.

I’m having an awesome day. The new parts for my fuel system are almost ready, I’m rebuilding my harness for the LH/EZK swap (year over due…) and I think I found a prop for the boat. Breaking off a blade sure makes it vibrate funny.

All BS aside, congratulations on your daughter, I’ve only had the pleasure of being the crazy uncle. When she’s taking a twin turbo 928 to prom, she’ll be the talk of the event.

[sonett3]

Erick I did not twist anything . If any one is twisting anything it is you and everyone you know..

We are just finishing up on my fuel set up ect,ect,ect,ect. Going to be painting Fabio's car tomorrow Ill take pics of it as well.

[morriss]

Delete, delete, delete. Take it to "Private Message" guys. No need to air the dirty laundry for all to see. Thanks.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by morriss

Delete, delete, delete. Take it to "Private Message" guys. No need to air the dirty laundry for all to see. Thanks.

I totally agree guys. Maybe it was better that this thread that was untouched since 08-02-2006, 05:56 AM. This is what Bannlist is for. No need for it to follow here.

[Herr-Kuhn]

Erik...my hope is that in 18 years I could let her go in a Ferrari to the prom...by then the 928 will be so old it won't even be worth talking about anymore

[Murf928]

Hey John, congratulations on your daughter from me and my family.
Must have been quite the ride, WOW.
And to you as well; uncle Mark.

[sonett3]

Hey, Thanks Tim.

[Herr-Kuhn]

Thanks guys. Tuomo's car was supposed to be done before winter and I had to call him in August to stop the shipment of the car to me...August 23rd to be precise. We later agreed to ship it down in Sept or so such that I could start on it.

Ride was not the word for it...I work 54 miles from home in Wilmington, Ohio (no, not at DHL but we are right between the runways and there are LOTS of DHL planes parked here) at the day job and Claudia was in the hospital for just over 3 months. 8-9 hours at work + 2.25 hours in the car + 2 hours up/back/visit to the hospital...every day for 3 months. Then when Claudia came home on 11/25, I was in Norway, Holland, and Germany for 1.75 weeks. That was a treat because I got to argue with some Norwegians over their socialized medecine program over there. You think we have high taxes...that place is an over governed country for sure...you woudl not be buzzing around in a boosted 928 for sure. In May I have to be back in Germany for a trade show and I may be in Tokyo this year as well.

Never take your full term kids for granted! There is a whole underground in these hospitals that is geared specifically towards premature babies...many of them born to parents with major drug addictions, etc. The NICU here at Good Sam is one of the best in the country (the place where they developed the surfactant) and they always had 30+ babies in there at any given time. We were lucky to be just across the river from Good Sam...they sent us in an ambulance (Colleen had to ride on a competitor's ambulance cot and I gave the paramedics crap for it) from No. KY when they took her BP and delivered her the next AM at 10:38. Otherwise it would have been a medic-chopper ride just like with "the Duggers". Will someone please clip that man's sack!

In our case it was HELLP syndrome...Colleen got really sick with a BP of 198/120...it's amazing she never had a stroke and came thru unharmed. They don't know what causes it. They drew 20+ viles of blood to run tests on her a few months back and there were no conclusions drawn. Claudia dropped to as low as 1 lb after she was born (like 3 days out). Her official birth weight was 1lb 4 oz and she was 26weeks + 1day (they count the days when they are this little). The HELLP syndrome is where the mother basically rejects the placenta...so the mom gets sick and the baby doesn't get fed properly...thus the low birth weight. A normal preganacy at 26 weeks would produce a 2+lb baby. Left unattended both mother and baby can die. It's very dangerous.

Claudia fought from the beginning (I guess she got that from me ) and it was a long, uphill battle with several partially collapsed lungs, on and off the ventialtor, CPAP, a round of steroids to kickstart her lungs, two blood transfusions, and a host of other stuff I have already forgotten. Now she is on her way up on the weight scale and closing in on 10 lbs! The only complication was some ROP...where the vessles in the eyeball go a little nutty from the early exposure to 02. Right before Christmas she had to have both eyes lasered to nip that issue in the bud...if left unattended it can lead to blindness because the retnas become detached. I once heard a drag racer detached his retnas on decel...of course, that car was also turbocharged.

We have to keep her in the house for the most part and away from large crowds because a preemie's immune system is much weaker than a regular baby's. Thus far she has had no issues, but this is because Colleen stays with her all day...no way she could go to daycare because the kids there always have something. So we went from being DINKS to SIOKS (single income one kid), but I'm very fortunate to work for a medical products company that pays very well and has a great incentive plan so we can swing it on one income.

I'm getting the pool liner replaced this spring in anticipation of being able to relax a little bit this year in the back yard and watch her float around a little, though somehow my life seeme to always continue to get more and more busy...I'll be 40 this year.

Tim...You may not know this buy Mark also has a little girl...just about 3 years old and contrary to the comments on that "other" forum he's actually a good bit older than me (though sometimes you wouldn't know it).

Tim, did Hacker buy an F355?

[Murf928]

Dang John, that's quite the story. Really puts things into perspective when we take certain "normal" things as every day occurances.

Glad to hear everyone is doing well.

Haha, Mark's older? guess I never really thought about it (accept sometimes, you know). Mark and I talked about his daughter off line a few months ago. Sounds like he's a really great Dad.

Hacker's dad bought the 355, but it's kind of a "in the family" sort of a car. It's very nice.

[chesireIsugaree]

Pay him no mind, what a waste.


Congrats on the baby Kuhn... AWESOME man.

-Mason