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[The Deputy]

Hello,

Don't know if this is the right place for introductions, but I just bought my first 928 (1984) and found this site while searching for info. Owned a 944 years ago, enjoyed the living-daylights out of that car...and I'm hoping too have the same luck with this car. Granted, the 944 was a stick...so that made a whole lot of difference in my opinion. This one is an auto, no biggy, since the wife will be driving it also.

Anyhow, just washed the car after the trailer ride it took, ice, salt and snow along the way, and will be putting it on jack stands later today for the winter. The car has 80,000 miles, second owner owned 25 years. For me (third owner), the immediate plans are to do the timing belts, since they have never been done, water-pump while I'm in there, change anti-freeze and check everything else associated. I did the timing belts twice on my 44, and I'm a mechanic by trade, so this procedure doesn't rattle me too much. I'll also drop the oil and filter, change the trans. fluid and filter and look over the steering components and motor mounts while it is in the air.

Things that have been done recently, complete brake job, tires, window motors (both doors) and battery.

Inside and out, I'll do a little detailing...nothing special...just some waxing, vacuuming and rim polishing.

And, then...wait the long horrible wait...for spring.

Any hints about these cars and what too watch out for would be greatly appreciated.

A couple pictures...









Thanks, and I'm looking forward to participating in this site.

Brian.

[Arizona_928]

Welcome!
They are really a different animal compared to the 944's. But nothing is too bad on the 16V's

[hbueno]

Congratulations and welcome from a fellow '84 owner! Where are you located?

Hugo

[curtisr]

Black yet! I'm envious. Anyways, you've come to the right place for help & advice.

[928 Bro]

Congratulations I hope you enjoy the hell out of it. there is a post that show the typical stuff that happenings with our 928's but is yours running fine or do you see any issues. What you are doing is what most of us start out with. Good luck. It looks like if is in good shape.

[harborman]

Many of the problems are electrical. Most of us go through the CE panel under the passenger foot-well. Pull all fuses and relays, clean all contacts with a good cleaner like Deoxit. Change out all the #53 relays with new ones, quite cheap to do and save a few old ones in the car as back up's. Check your main battery ground or for $40 buy a new cable as they do go bad inside the crimped end. Run a bottle of Techron in the tank every once in awhile.

[Danglerb]

Congrats on the car. Best advice I can offer is try not to think like a pro mechanic, and assume something is done the usual way, causes trouble with a 928 which has its quirks even for a line Porsche mechanic.

84 is non interference, so no rush on the timing belt, but sounds like its more than due. Since it hasn't been done assume the fuel lines haven't either, those failing start fires, so replacing all the fuel hoses should go to the top of the list. Rubber seals on injectors etc are likely bad too, I would pull the intake and send the injectors out for cleaning and rebuilding, or just get Greg Brown's new kit that upgrades the injection to modern 4 hole types.

Engine looks clean, too clean as in somebody washed it, which is bad since most issues are electrical not dirt or oil related. Cover is missing for the jump post, you need the cap and shield that clips to the fender and prevents water from going into the main 14 pin electrical connection at the jump post.

[Danglerb]

Almost forgot, the annual half price sale on used parts is going at 928 International | Porsche 928 Partsf for Sale Online - New, Used & Rebuilt, but you need to mention the sale when you order its not automatic.

[The Deputy]

Thanks everyone, for the helpful hints. Yeah, the car has had some things done and now that it is in the air...there are a few things I've noticed needing attention.

Motor mounts and oil pan gasket need repaired. There are some other odds and ends, but they will come with time.

The mechanical agenda for this winter is timing belts (and whatever else is needed for that job), water pump, tune up, oil change and oil pan gasket, motor mounts and tie-rod ends. I'll look those fuel lines over again, but they looked like new underneath.

Cosmetically, different rims and detail out the interior.

[stepson]

Deputy,
Danglerb has given you some good advice above. If you don't have documentation, then assume that it hasn't been done. Fuel line replacement should be first on your car.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by The Deputy

... For me (third owner), the immediate plans are to do the timing belts, since they have never been done, water-pump while I'm in there, change anti-freeze and check everything else associated.

Thanks, and I'm looking forward to participating in this site.

Brian.

Single Timing Belt Brian. Looks like a Black Beauty. Welcome Aboard!

Leo

[The Deputy]

Originally Posted by MPDano

Single Timing Belt Brian. Looks like a Black Beauty. Welcome Aboard!

Leo

Thanks, Leo.

Black was what I was looking for...and I'm happy...so far.

It is a belt replacement if you do it right the first time...and belts if not...lol

But, yeah...it should be one. It doesn't look like anything serious...from what I have read. Actually looking forward to digging into it.

Brian.

[Danglerb]

Fuel lines are not the ones on the bottom of the car made of metal, but the short high pressure lines in the engine compartment where heat soak kills wires and hoses.

OPG most of us use is a aftermarket made from silicone, some also replace the pesky bolts with studs. Roger has a Volvo or something motor mount that works as well or better than Porsche.

[The Deputy]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

Fuel lines are not the ones on the bottom of the car made of metal, but the short high pressure lines in the engine compartment where heat soak kills wires and hoses.

I have the air box out and there is a section of rubber fuel line there...is this the one I should be concerned with? Looks old and is about nine inches long.

Also…

I’m heading out to the garage to remove the front seats...any secrets or concerns.

And…

While removing the front spoiler/chin last night I noticed a duct inside the driver’s side wheel-well that is not connected to anything…would this go to the alternator? The ductwork has some sort of sensor/sender on it, too. Weird, to have a sensor on a duct running to an alternator.

However, after unbolting the front spoiler…I’m somewhat concerned about the sanity of these engineers…I mean hell…what would be the harm of using a fender clip style fastener…lol

Thank you, in advance for any advice.

Brian.

[Danglerb]

Not "one" hose, everything rubber under the hood with pressurized gas wanting out.

Once you reluctantly remove a fine looking hose and have it crumble like a month old cookie, you will get more enthusiasm for the task.

Yup goes to the alt, sensor tells the AC/heat what the air is like outside, no worky without it.

[The Deputy]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

Almost forgot, the annual half price sale on used parts is going at 928 International | Porsche 928 Parts for Sale Online - New, Used & Rebuilt, but you need to mention the sale when you order its not automatic.

Man, this info was a lifesaver...

Dropped the harmonic balancer on the cement floor in the garage...that's when I realized it was made out of aluminum...and aluminum doesn't win against cement. Luckily, it happened on the 21st, and it didn't connect with the car while in route, and International had a used one in stock. Saved a bunch of bread, so thank you for mentioning this Dan!

A couple pictures of the girl in B&W.






Update:

1) TB and WP are done, minus the harmonic balancer and a few belts.

2) Repaired vertical grill outboard-brackets (damaged in transit from Ohio...probably the exquisite Michigan roads did them in).

3) Oil change done.

4) Front spoiler is turning out nicely so far, two cracks have been repaired with JB-(professional grade)-Weld and now it is just a matter of coloring the repair.

5) High pressure injector fuel line and clamps have been purchased for everything under the hood. I will start this project after I have it running...just to be sure the timing belt and water pump are all good to go.

6) Trans fluid and filter are waiting patiently.

Brian.

[AirtekHVAC]

Good work so far....just so you know....the parts car sitting next to my shop was a running model, and had just gotten to that state. The PO started it up to take to paint shop, and..."poof" up in flames. It only takes one time. I cannot stress the fuel lines enough. I made the investment in the fuel lines on mine, before I even knew if I had a good motor or not... Hate to see yours become a statistic.

Good luck!

[The Deputy]

Finished replacing everything that looked, felt, smelled like rubber under the hood. All fuel lines, vacuum lines and plug wires. Replaced spark plugs, cap and rotor, too. Started it up today and checked for leaks. Had a small vacuum leak that turned out being the idle adjustment screw on the throttle body. Lucked out finding it, it was idling a little high, naturally from the vacuum leak, and I just wanted to idle it down some so I could hear better...and as soon as I turned the screw...the vacuum leak stopped and the idle settled right down.

Ran the car for about four hours on and off, while looking for leaks...and all was good.

Seemed good to hear it run again. I was tempted to get the tires out of the basement and throw them on for a quick spin. But, the front spoiler is still off and the wheel well panels are out...so I passed on that notion.

So far...

WP and TB done.
Changed anti-freeze.
Changed oil and filter.
Replaced all rubber fuel lines under the hood and injector rubber grommets.
Replaced all vacuum lines.
Tune up.
Replaced all belts.
Replaced vertical grill mounting brackets.

Still working on...

Repairing front chin spoiler.
Rear hatch latching assembly, upper and lower protions.

On the list...

Tie rods.
Replace clamps on rubber CV joint boots and fill with new grease.
Buy a new set of rims.
Clean underneath of car and wheel wells.

Things I decided to pass on this year...

Motor mounts.
Oil pan gasket (since tighten the loose bolts helped out tremendously).

Thank you, to everyone that offered advice.

Brian.

[Danglerb]

So is it spring yet, 94F in SoCal today, too hot to go for a float in the pool, let alone work.

Roger has some modified Volvo mounts that are cheap and work well, Home - 928s R Us Porsche Parts Store

[The Deputy]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

So is it spring yet, 94F in SoCal today, too hot to go for a float in the pool, let alone work.

Roger has some modified Volvo mounts that are cheap and work well, Home - 928s R Us Porsche Parts Store

We've finally put the cold stuff behind us here, and temps are a blistering hot forty some degrees. Short sleeve weather, for sure. We set record cold temps during the month of February, with several days in the negative region of the thermometer, and that set me back on working on the car.

The motor mounts are setting on the bench, I've just lost the drive to put them in this year. Plus, the car is thirty years old and even though the anti-freeze level has been maintaining...I would be pissed off at myself if I did those mounts from the bottom side and had to pull the engine a few months later. So, I will drive it for a bit and see what shakes down this fall. Thank you, for the heads up on new ones though.

Brian.