BMW struggles in Round Two of WSB. - Page 7

Dr. Curve · 03-27-2010, 02:54 PM

Agreed TJS........and can you believe how close the top "Stock" BMW bike's lap time is in relation to Corser's lap time on a much more "Modified" version.

roger albert · 03-27-2010, 03:42 PM

That's actually about expected Jim. Superstock 1000s generally run about the time of Supersport 600s, which is depending on track, 2-3 seconds of Superbike 1000s. Right on par I'd say.

Dr. Curve · 04:57 PM

The other brands of "stock" bikes are not running as close to the top WSB bikes of their same brand as closely as the top stock BMW is running to the top BMW in WSB. The top Yamaha in WSB is quicker over the same course than the top Yamaha in the Superstock class by a larger amount than the Top BMW in WSB is over the top BMW in Superstock. That is what is wonderful to see. A showroom stock BMW is closer to a WSB BMW in performance than the competitors stock bikes are to their WSB counterparts. The people in the BMW showrooms will see the positive results if this trend continues.

Deans BMW · 03-27-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

The other brands of "stock" bikes are not running as close to the top WSB bikes of their same brand as closely as the top stock BMW is running to the top BMW in WSB. The top Yamaha in WSB is quicker over the same course than the top Yamaha in the Superstock class by a larger amount than the Top BMW in WSB is over the top BMW in Superstock. That is what is wonderful to see. A showroom stock BMW is closer to a WSB BMW in performance than the competitors stock bikes are to their WSB counterparts. The people in the BMW showrooms will see the positive results if this trend continues.

True that Curvemeister.

Guest24 · 03-27-2010, 05:40 PM

This could be good for 1000 Superstock and bad for the Superbike configuration, Jim. We may be at a point with the given torque curve of the S1000RR that makes going above the traction that Corser/Xaus achieve the area of 'diminishing returns.' Maybe the bike is doing all it can do and more hp is NOT the solution. I know what I'm trying to say but it may not be coming across right.

RC51DRAG · 03-27-2010, 05:41 PM

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The struggles continue for BMW as the qualifying for Round Two of WSB concludes with Troy in 13th spot out.........and Ruben crashing yet again on the last day. Will the managers ever be able to get him to calm down and will there be new tricks coming to the team in its effort to control their power to the ground? Fingers crossed for a top ten finish, but damn, it looks hard if Troy is going at it alone again. Thoughts from brothers on this upcoming race?

Hi Jim,

I'm a long-time WSB fan and TBH I think BMW performance to date has been very good. Not excellent, that would be Aprilia, but pretty good.

The other teams have 20 years of WSC racing development, research and racetrack knowledge, logic and tech to fall back on. Just the suspension settings and development over the years alone would give a team an upper edge.

Aprilia has the advantage of WSB and MGP experience not to mention some 20 plus titles.

But while BMW cannot at first kick out of the paddock match the Aprilia, Big 4 and Ducati they have done the next best thing - they beat them (all) on the overall package in terms of first kick on the sales floor and are posting good top ten results.

Read the mags and be honest, who would have thought such a feat out of the gate by BMW was possible. Aprilia yes since they did it before with the RSV, KTM maybe, BMW

- even I'm surprised.

Add to this a top development rider like Troy and the winningest team leader in Tardozzi and the future looks bright.

chewie · chewie's Garage

I think you bring up a good point RC in that BMW has not had to win anything to pre sell hundreds if not thousands of these over the world. Forget about getting one here in OZ until the second wave in July

Win Sunday, sell Monday isn't always the way it has to be, if you've got gizmology on your side...and the Roundel probably helps.

Sure long term things will be different but as long as they stay strong and improve in the standings...hell, it probably won't matter to sales initially if this year is no better than last as so many people are jumping on regardless of the WSB standings.

As Owen said not everyone buys the bike that comes in #1 and well, until the others can step up with the electronics - BMW imho is in for strong retail sales at least till this time next year. This years WSB season will be more than half over before some even pick their bikes up.

Dr. Curve · 03-27-2010, 08:31 PM

Two bikes starting in the top ten. Progress. We will know soon, in barely 16 hours or so. Would there even be a slim chance that the new RR1000S could get TWO bikes in the top ten finish?!
Seems like their stars are lining up some.......and what with a little luck. Final thoughts? Mine is that we get Corser in at 7th or 6th and Ruben in at 9th or 10th. Two in the top ten is a outright victory for BMW. Anybody else want to think that BMW can hold its qualifying positions on till the checkered?

signit98 · 03-27-2010, 08:32 PM

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...and the Roundel probably helps.

I think what helps more than the roundel itself is the fact that it is finally available as a great package, reasonably priced!

signit98 · 03-27-2010, 08:34 PM

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Would there even be a slim chance that the new RR1000S could get TWO bikes in the top ten finish?!

Another NEW bike, Jim? Who would have thought...

I find it funny that you always do that...

chewie · chewie's Garage

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I think what helps more than the roundel itself is the fact that it is finally available as a great package, reasonably priced!

Yes, I believe you are right, that is true.

I was excited to buy my first BMW - maybe that's the way I should have painted the picture.

Guest24 · 03-28-2010, 03:45 AM

Corser/Xaus were slower in the warmup today.

1 91 Haslam L. (GBR) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'42.664
2 35 Crutchlow C. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'43.007
3 41 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1'43.143
4 7 Checa C. (ESP) Ducati 1098R 1'43.173
5 65 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'43.360
6 2 Camier L. (GBR) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1'43.509
7 67 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1'43.541
8 50 Guintoli S. (FRA) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'43.596
9 3 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1'43.633
10 52 Toseland J. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'43.747
11 11 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'43.798
12 96 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1'43.837
13 66 Sykes T. (GBR) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'43.929
14 57 Lanzi L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'44.187
15 84 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'44.216
16 111 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1'44.356
17 88 Pitt A. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'44.415
18 76 Neukirchner M. (GER) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.650
19 99 Scassa L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'45.141
20 95 Hayden R. (USA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.310
21 31 Iannuzzo V. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.432
22 49 Tamada M. (JPN) BMW S1000 RR 1'45.904
23 15 Baiocco M. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'46.154
24 32 Morais S. (RSA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'47.125

Guest24 · 03-28-2010, 03:46 AM

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I think what helps more than the roundel itself is the fact that it is finally available as a great package, reasonably priced!

And you can put bags on it, even!!!

RC51DRAG · 03-28-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chewie

I think you bring up a good point RC in that BMW has not had to win anything to pre sell hundreds if not thousands of these over the world. Forget about getting one here in OZ until the second wave in July

Win Sunday, sell Monday isn't always the way it has to be, if you've got gizmology on your side...and the Roundel probably helps.

Sure long term things will be different but as long as they stay strong and improve in the standings...hell, it probably won't matter to sales initially if this year is no better than last as so many people are jumping on regardless of the WSB standings.

As Owen said not everyone buys the bike that comes in #1 and well, until the others can step up with the electronics - BMW imho is in for strong retail sales at least till this time next year. This years WSB season will be more than half over before some even pick their bikes up.

Best selling bike to come out of WSB - GSXR750, and it never won a title.

RC51DRAG · 03-28-2010, 08:05 AM

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Guess WHO got two bikes in the top ten in RACE ONE?????? Thats Right!

Notably ahead of one of the factory Ducati. Progress is slow but coming.

Dr. Curve · 03-28-2010, 12:08 PM

I may have mixed something up. Stock, Superstock, Sport, Supersport, Bike, Superbike, Pole, Superpole.........I stay confused Chris so thanks for the reminder. The two WSB races were very good thats for sure. Were you pleased with the V4 Chris? I am going to take one for a ride soon, thats for sure.

Chris Canning · 03-28-2010, 01:09 PM

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I may have mixed something up. Stock, Superstock, Sport, Supersport, Bike, Superbike, Pole, Superpole.........I stay confused Chris so thanks for the reminder. The two WSB races were very good thats for sure. Were you pleased with the V4 Chris? I am going to take one for a ride soon, thats for sure.

How fast the Aprilia was,how poor the factory Ducatis were,how unstable the BMW's looked and how slow was the Yamaha.

Guest24 · 03-28-2010, 03:12 PM

Chris, are they showing the 1000 superstock race in the UK? Nada in the USA. Our coverage sucks. Can BMW solve the stability problem. All that hp and they look like they're racing out of class.

Dr. Curve · 03-28-2010, 03:33 PM

It appears to be traction only Chris, and the BMWs simply can not get their tires to hold up. They will get it sorted out but Corser and Ruben both spoke of the tires just giving out at about 11 laps.......as evidenced by Corser running as high as third in the first half of the race. He just could not keep the traction out of the corners.......but the BMW has more than enough power. BMW has the goods.......they just can't get it to the ground. Perhaps they will "big bang" their engine and leave a piston pulse spot to read traction with...............but I doubt it.

Guest24 · 03-28-2010, 04:07 PM

Badovini and Barrier were solid front runners all weekend Jim. I thought that they would both podium but Barrier just missed. BMW is going to be very strong in this class I think. It has the massive hp advantage. This is the first race of the year in Superstock. Since it takes two points on the grid to have a trend so Spain will be important to BMW Superstock. I'm interested in why the Superbike team is only a fraction faster.

Chris, since you saw the Superstock race, did Barrier make some rider errors that cost him the podium?