The next sport boxer

zx9rmal · 12-02-2010, 01:11 PM

OK, I'm bored. Anyone have "reliable" info on an upcoming R12xxS with DOHC motor? Please don't tell me "Yes, but I can't say anything about it".

joenuclear · 12-02-2010, 01:25 PM

I can't......... I promised.

Bob Hancock · 12-02-2010, 01:32 PM

I can but I forgot.

1100s nut · 12-02-2010, 01:45 PM

The problem with secrets are; its not that I can`t keep a secret, it`s the people I tell them to that can`t keep a secret....or else I would tell you.

Lane

ckcarr · ckcarr's Garage

They already produced and sold the r1300s. But, in true BMW fashion it has now been discontinued...

bradzdotcom · bradzdotcom's Garage

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Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Please don't tell me "Yes, but I can't say anything about it".

hey that beats the usual around here ("Don't Know, but I'll tell you EVERYTHING about it!").

those can be fun.

Guest24 · 12-02-2010, 02:43 PM

Mal, check Wikileaks, they have all the latest secrets on motorcycles, too.

joenuclear · 12-02-2010, 05:35 PM

Have checked Snopes?

dkosters · 12-02-2010, 07:51 PM

BMW decided to save money this time and they designed the bike, created the tooling, but then destroyed it all before producing a single bike, cutting a full year out of the production lifespan in comparison to the R1200S--German efficiency in action.

I have pictures, but they're reverse-JPEG and I'm don't have access to a computer that can read them at the moment......

Sofatester · Sofatester's Garage

I can but I don't like being falsely persecuted for rape because of telling secrets.

Snoop · 12-03-2010, 12:16 AM

I could post some emails of people talking about it, but would probably be accused of terrorism - even though nothing I post represents the official position of BMW...

Haggis · Haggis's Garage

I was at the Melbourne Motorcycle Show recently and a fellow called David Robb the VP of Design who was part of the BMW Motorcycle design team was there doing a presentation on the new 6 cylinder touring bike (pretty impressive).
I asked him the 6 million dollar question and suggested, well the R1200R has now got the twin cam engine when will we see the new 1200 S.
He said that there was nothing on the drawing board what with the HP2S and the S1000RR they did not want to have too many bikes in the one category. However I was the third person to ask the same question and he said he would relay this to the factory.
He was apparently part of the team responsible for the looks of the 12S so I congratulated him on what I consider a classy looking bike.
dont suppose he would let too much out of the bag to some mug like me but anyway I had to ask.
Cheers, Haggis

shreddr · shreddr's Garage

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Originally Posted by Haggis

David Robb ... said that there was nothing on the drawing board what with the HP2S and the S1000RR they did not want to have too many bikes in the one category.

interesting, you have to think that from drawing board to showrooms has to be at least 2 years. which would make 2013 the earliest new model year, IF there is a plan to launch a new sport boxer. i don't know where all the speculation is coming from if the head of design denies any work is even being done.

here is my $0.02 of speculation. as the HP2S tooling is already in place, you will see continued revisions, which will be nothing more than color changes (2010 LE anyone?) perhaps some cost cutting (plastic instead of CF, forged parts instead of billet), and maybe the 1250 big bore, which already looks like a factory skunks work project. at which point you will have the "new" R1250S.

no need for a drawing board when you are just swapping parts, and filling the spray gun with a different color.

MaineRoads · 12-03-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by shreddr

at which point you will have the "new" R1250S.

Cool, An HP2ST, sign me up.

Guest24 · 07:23 AM

If I were BMW management, I'd use the S suffix to introduce the LC Boxer.

Jeff, I ope you are wrong about the future of the HP2Sport. To Reverse-Harleyize that bike for the sake of making it cheaper is the most grotesque thought I could imagine.

shreddr · shreddr's Garage

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Originally Posted by Nail24

If I were BMW management, I'd use the S suffix to introduce the LC Boxer.

Jeff, I ope you are wrong about the future of the HP2Sport. To Reverse-Harleyize that bike for the sake of making it cheaper is the most grotesque thought I could imagine.

well they are selling S1000RR's like hotcakes, so what do you think the likelihood of an S1000RR "S" model is, something with better forks, shock and CF bits? pretty high I would venture.

and you have the HP2S gathering cobwebs on the dealership floors, with ridiculous price tags. if you want to sell more sport boxers what would you do, invest heavily in more tooling and come out with an equally expensive alternative, or try to recover some of your initial poorly returning investment by making some changes that put the price back in "touch" with perceived value?

bradzdotcom · bradzdotcom's Garage

if by "sell more" you mean make more money, the sensible board members would raise hands to continue doing what seems to be working, which would lead to a variety of S1000RR variations, by going both up and down in engine sizes, features list and (obviously) price points.

Bob Hancock · 12-03-2010, 08:09 AM

I suspect it'll just be a matter of time and market. We went without a new boxer S offering from the R100S to the R1100S. What was that...10 years?

peter f · 12-03-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bradzdotcom

which would lead to a variety of S1000RR variations,

Indeed...however most bikers mix intentions and ability in that particular motorcycle class (either 600 or 1000cc). IMHO a far more sensible choice could be some sort of sport bike with less virtual potential (and therefor more).

Anyway...to me it's rather odd that Motorrad did the latest R1200R DOHC thing and forgot the S variant (HP2S due to absurd price targets a totally different clientele).

BoxerFanatic · 12-03-2010, 08:59 AM

Not only do they not have an affordable boxer sport bike... the HP2-Sport loses the affordable part.

They don't have a boxer sport touring bike, either.

If it ain't an RT, GS, or 'Roadster', or built-with-unobtainium HP2-Sport that is too expensive... there is a giant hole in their boxer lineup.

Not to mention that IIRC, they aren't selling the K1300R in the US anymore, and the K1200R-Sport hasn't been revived. R1200S and ST were both cancelled...

It doesn't seem like BMW wants to build a mid-range bike that is both sporty and realistic.

It would be so easy, and make so much sense to make an R1200RS DOHC, or even an R1250RS with the revised HP2-S mill that was mentioned by Shreddr.

But that is likely why they won't build it. It makes too much sense to replicate the R11RS and R11S type practical sporty bikes with newer-than-R1200S specs, and the new DOHC engine tuned to it's potential.

But hey... BMW is talking about making FWD cars... not Minis... FWD BMWs... and they build insane things like the X6-M that is the worst of both worlds between a performance car and a CUV. And they build the 1 series that is not easy to look at, and very nearly as expensive and heavy as a 3-series, while being not as accommodating to sit in.

So close, yet so far away. The pieces and potential is there... yet goes unrealized, while other puzzling things get built.