r12s How many?

[Droptarotter]

Originally Posted by Sofatester

2,459 built.

So are there less 12S's than the HP2 Sports?
I thought there were about 3500 HP2 Sports manufactured?

Cheers

[Deans BMW]

I really enjoy just looking at my R1200S, it will doubtless be kept along with my R75/6 until the last day. Others will come and go, but these two will always be in the stable. The R1200S has less than 3,500 miles.

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by Sofatester

The strongest tuned R1200S bikes, like the one my friend "Rika" owns with REAL 152 hp DIN, need it and they accelerate much faster with the long 1:2,62 than a stock R1200S with the shorter stock 1:2,75 final drive does.

in theory wouldnt the 2.75 "accelerate" faster but the 2.62 would have more top speed but it would just take longer to get there?

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by Droptarotter

So are there less 12S's than the HP2 Sports?
I thought there were about 3500 HP2 Sports manufactured?

Cheers

i was wondering what the HP2S number is, if it is 3500 that is still pretty small considering it is for 4 years of production.

anybody know the HP2S production numbers for certain?

[josephvman]

Originally Posted by shreddr

i was wondering what the HP2S number is, if it is 3500 that is still pretty small considering it is for 4 years of production.

anybody know the HP2S production numbers for certain?

The number for North America is between 225-230 bikes. As of a few weeks ago there were still 2-3 new 2010's in dealer inventory, but it's likely that they had been registered as sold or demo bikes by the dealers before BMW finally pulled the plug on their incentive money for the bikes.

[Jozef Schumann]

Originally Posted by shreddr

in theory wouldnt the 2.75 "accelerate" faster but the 2.62 would have more top speed but it would just take longer to get there?

shreddr, in theory - however, with that much output - (I'm surmising the curve is extremely flat and fat through the middle) - keeping it in the sweet spot longer, taking advantage of that curve results in substantial gains.

I recall back in the late 80's our company (a performance engineering firm of which I was a principle) worked closely with Steve Dinan. We were Steves first distributor in So Cal - as such, sold, installed, a commendable amount of product which, of course included many turbo systems.

I distinctly recall the E30 M3's approx 192-195 hp as from BMW and 420-435 (@1bar) artificially aspirated. These were fitted with a 4.10 final drive which was absolutely useless with such a prodigious amount of power on tap - acceleration times suffered due to constantly rowing through the gearbox. A swap to the eurospec 3.25 unit dramatically improved the numbers across the board, even if, at the expense of cartoon worthy rubber burning up to 80 mph.

[oslodude]

Originally Posted by shreddr

i was wondering what the HP2S number is, if it is 3500 that is still pretty small considering it is for 4 years of production.

anybody know the HP2S production numbers for certain?

2259 bikes were built:

BMW HP2 Sport, die Produktion des Sportboxeres wurde eingestellt. - Motorradtests - MOTORRAD online

"P S: Von der HP2 Sport wurden insgesamt 2259 Einheiten produziert, 2022 sind in Kundenhand. In Deutschland wurden 575 Motorräder verkauft. Im Handel sind hierzulande laut BMW noch 20 bis 25 Fahrzeuge - neu und gebraucht."

[macfly]

These are the figures I have, can't swear they are absolute, but its what I have.

It seems that the final production run tally of the HP2S could be 2472

EU Production numbers run from 60000 > 61634 and then ZS63001 > ZS63395 for the Motorsport LE totalling 2030 EU Spec bikes
USA Production numbers run from 70000 > 70225 for a total run of 225 US Spec bikes

2007
104 - ECE bikes - VIN ZS60000 - ZS60103
10 - USA bikes - VIN ZS70000 - ZS7009

2008
244 - ECE bikes - VIN ZS60104 - ZS60347
54 - USA bikes - VIN ZS70010 - ZS70063

2009
1209 - ECE bikes - ZS60348 - ZS61556
131 - USA bikes - ZS70064 - ZS70194

2010
473 - ECE bikes - ZS61556 - ZS61634 regular // ZS63001 - ZS63395 Motorsport
31 - USA bikes - ZS70195 - ZS70225


You can see a lot more info here - http://www.hp2.info/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by macfly

2007
321 - ECE bikes - VIN ZS60000 - ZS60103

you got some number issues here. how did they squeeze 321 bikes in a 104 bike sequence?

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by shreddr

you got some number issues here. how did they squeeze 321 bikes in a 104 bike sequence?

Very carefully evidently.

[ckcarr]

No wonder they lose money...

[macfly]

Don't worry, totals are the same!!

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by macfly

Don't worry, totals are the same!!

maybe if you are using Singapore math. the difference between oslodudes 2259 and your 2472 is the difference between 321 and 104

[Sofatester]

Interview with Miss Liane Drews, BMW product PR devision in MO, Special BMW edition #39 (October-December 2011) page 9 :

altogether 2,259 units of the HP2Sport were built between the end of 2008 and mid 2010, also 1,733 units of the Megamoto (2007-2009) and 2,910 units of the HP2 Enduro (2005-2007).


Besides: My "2,459" for the R1200S was wrong, I beg your pardon, the number is a bit larger, have to check out the exact number once again.

[Dr. Curve]

So there were/are fewer HP2 Sports than there are R12S units...........we agree, right? The HP2 is very rare.........but would anyone like to guess as to what the shortest production run of a recent (since 1960 let say) motorcycle model BMW every made. I do not know, but the R50S would be one of them. Curious minds need to know..............but the HP2 is a small run, thats for sure. I see more HP2 units than I do Rocksters but I believe that BMW made a lot more Rockster units than HP2's as well.

[ckcarr]

Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

So there were/are fewer HP2 Sports than there are R12S units...........we agree, right? The HP2 is very rare..........

Looking at the numbers I'd say the r1200s is just about as rare.

On the other hand, the GS models are like a well burned steak...

[Jozef Schumann]

Originally Posted by ckcarr

Looking at the numbers I'd say the r1200s is just about as rare.

I see HP2 numbers - anything accurate on the r12s's out there, somewhere?

[jab r12s]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

I really enjoy just looking at my R1200S, it will doubtless be kept along with my R75/6 until the last day. Others will come and go, but these two will always be in the stable. The R1200S has less than 3,500 miles.

Hope you don't mind Dean??...as an In-Cider to this R12S fetish I thought it appropriate to compare candy/cane w/backdrop to honey/cider w/foreground just shy of 82k miles. jab r12s

[AZ-Twin]

Originally Posted by jab r12s

just shy of 82k miles.

I think we have a winner!

[jab r12s]

I think their are a few w/more AZ-Twin. I was grounded 6 weeks this summer due to waiting on oem wheel replacements (well six weekends anyway). jab r12s