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There are outright counterfeits, these are items visually identical to the original. Not legal. Then there are knock offs, similar to, but not identical to the original and do not carry the authentic items branding. Those are generally legal. Then there are replicas, similar to a knockoff where it's not identical to the original but closer than a knockoff generally because they use the originals branding. Also mostly legal as in dealing in them is but civil action over trademark infringement is possible. Most of the distinction between legal or not is in how likely is the consumer to be deceived that they are not getting the real thing or is there clear deception occurring. A counterfeit Monaco selling for $3,500 when the real deal runs $4,000 is clear deception. A knockoff Monaco selling for $300 would never be confused with the real thing. Even if the consumer does not know enough to visually distinguish between the two the price differential is a clear indicator they are not getting the authentic item. OP clearly has a replica, it's similar in appearance but has several obvious visual differences but it does appear to use Tag branding which makes it legal to sell even though it infringes on Tags brand IP. It's up to Tag to decide what to do about it. Most manufacturers are more concerned with counterfeits. If someone buys a counterfeit at close to the price of the original that represents a lost sale. The individual who buys a knockoff or replica for $300 is not a customer at $4,000. There is no lost sale.
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So they're making counterfeits of the replica of a 1970 Heuer Monaco? If one if going through the trouble of counterfeiting, why not copy the original 1970 Monaco!
 Signed, Former Monaco Owner Tabs: what size batteries does your Rolex take? If I can get them easily at Walgreens, I'll take it! Last edited by CurtEgerer; 08-09-2018 at 05:52 AM.. |
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Tag Monaco Replica.....
disgraceful.
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wear what you want, I dont care. However, i dont know why anybody would spend 100-400 on a fake when you can buy so many nice seikos, citizens, Hamiltons etc at that price.
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There is no lost sale with knock-offs and replicas, but the brand is potentially damaged by reduced exclusivity.
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Moderator, I personally found the discussion very enlightening, I didn't know this about watches and what was legal and what was not.
I don't wear a watch. I also have to say, this is the off topic section, and well, if you post something for sale it will be loaded with comments. Last edited by Tervuren; 08-09-2018 at 09:38 AM.. |
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Good spirits on the forum.
But sometimes...................................... you just never know...as, first and foremost, it's a forum of opinions. 
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He said here Tabs I have a present for you, wear it in good health. Can you imagine my pride that my dad would buy me a Rolex let alone a PRESIDENT! I was flashing that thing all over town. Then one day it just stopped, apparently needing a new battery. Dad always did have a smile on his face when he saw me wearing that watch. Last edited by tabs; 08-09-2018 at 10:27 AM.. |
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My ex g/f, international business woman, went to Hong Kong with my cash and intentions of buying me a Rolex.
Back when the USD was strong. She called and asked if I wanted 3 or 4 watches instead. I said, "Sure.' Got two high dollar Seikos and a beautiful Tag Heuer...all genuine. Fine with me. I have almost as many watches as moto riding gloves.
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A buddy has a "Polex" watch. The little leg fell off the P (it was a R). He bought it from a street vendor in Vegas. I think he paid $20 for it. He says it keeps excellent time.
 If I remember correctly you can import fake goods for personal use. When I say that I mean you can have one watch or bag from a designer. If you have more than that they take them away at the border.
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A buddy has a "Polex" watch. The little leg fell off the P (it was a R). He bought it from a street vendor in Vegas. I think he paid $20 for it. He says it keeps excellent time.
If I remember correctly you can import fake goods for personal use. When I say that I mean you can have one watch or bag from a designer. If you have more than that they take them away at the border.
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Selling (trafficking) counterfeit goods is illegal, even if it is disclosed that they are "replicas". The only grey area is that it's not illegal to buy counterfeit goods, as the buyer is seen as the "victim" in most cases. Quote:
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What about replica fuchs for sale by pelican?
not sure if I should have used green font or not
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Shelby decided some time ago to clamp down on Cobra replica's that weren't licensed. Some went away, some made deals. Ferrari takes action against Ferrari kit cars wherever it can in the world. On the other hand, Ford doesn't seem to be bothered with model A replicas. |
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We have an area in the Fashion District here in LA called "Santee Alley". Propmasters go their to buy fake watches and sunglasses to use in film instead of paying big money for the real stuff.
You can get Rolex, Panerai, Omega watches for under $50. Gucci, Louis Vuitton, Rayban sunglasses knockoffs for under $30. There's even guys with pirated DVD's laid out on the sidewalk (some movies still showing in the theaters) and LAPD has foot patrol in the area. Those officers could give 2 shytes about what's going on.
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