Prison reform

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by DavidI

I believe the answer is men teaching young boys how to be men.

+1000
And some of the "young boys" aren't so young and still don't know how to be men. J, who works for me is one. It amazes me that someone can be 28 years old and be so naive and unaware of how the world works, let alone how to behave like a man.

[GH85Carrera]

I suspect we would all agree on very few things. One of them we would all likely agree, men teaching boys right from wrong, and how to be a Man, not just an adult male is vital.

[rfuerst911sc]

I had never heard it put like this : " Everyone who stops costing taxpayer money and goes from a cost center to a profit center. " . Excellent summary unfortunately easier said than done . Parents have to step up and be ........... parents ! But if they are already part of multi generations that had no parenting skill OR their parents were abscent how to break that cycle ?

[Kraftwerk]

Makes no sense to have people sitting in prison for selling weed 5 years ago when the store down the street does that legally now, all day long. Well, it makes sense to someone who is cashing government funded checks. Dollars would go much further towards education than for human cages.

[Crowbob]

Michigan went to pot and now they’re looking to release all the evil potheads, drop current charges and smoke a fatty.

[DavidI]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

With respect, 'we' are not the problem, sir. 'We' do not get young women pregnant, abandon them and our young boys.

Many do, as you say. I am not one of them and I suspect you aren't either.

Crowbob, I meant no offense to you personally or anyone else who this does not pertain. I grew up in the "barrio" and worked in South Central LA and East LA on the streets for more than 20 years. It was incredible to see how many hardworking people live in those areas and are productive. They instill family values, ethics, character, and principles into their children. I truly believe that at least 98% of people are good people. There are 2% who prey on the others and each other. My partners and I had constant contact with the young men. We saw them playing "street ball," whether it was baseball, football, over-the-line (if you grew up in the streets, you knew that game) all of the time. In full uniform, we constantly parked our police car and got out and played with them. No YouTube, no cameras, no fanfare, just simply older men (us) playing games with the young kids. We loved it and so did they! We would stop the ice cream man, palettas man, and even the "Helms Bakery Man" and treat the kids out of our own pockets. I wanted and deserved no recognition, just simply mentoring young kids. I even have a story where I chanllenged a bunch of kids to a breakdancing competition while in uniform (again, no YouTube and all that stuff) in the 1990s.

Men, collectively, we have to "man up" and invest our time into these young men and show them the opportunities that exist.

[DavidI]

At a young age, despite my childhood, I knew that I did not want to live in the environment that I grew up within. I "broke the cycle" and all three of my children, now young adults, earned their bachelor's degree and have an opportunity to succeed well beyond me. That is my version of success! Again, no special recognition or clapping or patting myself on the back. I have my beliefs and did everything I could to realize them.

Rock on brothers and sisters, David

Originally Posted by DavidI

Crowbob, I meant no offense to you personally or anyone else who this does not pertain. I grew up in the "barrio" and worked in South Central LA and East LA on the streets for more than 20 years. It was incredible to see how many hardworking people live in those areas and are productive. They instill family values, ethics, character, and principles into their children. I truly believe that at least 98% of people are good people. There are 2% who prey on the others and each other. My partners and I had constant contact with the young men. We saw them playing "street ball," whether it was baseball, football, over-the-line (if you grew up in the streets, you knew that game) all of the time. In full uniform, we constantly parked our police car and got out and played with them. No YouTube, no cameras, no fanfare, just simply older men (us) playing games with the young kids. We loved it and so did they! We would stop the ice cream man, palettas man, and even the "Helms Bakery Man" and treat the kids out of our own pockets. I wanted and deserved no recognition, just simply mentoring young kids. I even have a story where I chanllenged a bunch of kids to a breakdancing competition while in uniform (again, no YouTube and all that stuff) in the 1990s.

Men, collectively, we have to "man up" and invest our time into these young men and show them the opportunities that exist.

David, I could not agree more with you and appreciate your insights. You are a person who makes a difference. I wish more people were like you.

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Michigan went to pot and now they’re looking to release all the evil potheads, drop current charges and smoke a fatty.

C-B, I think you'll find that the crime rate goes down, as it has here in Washington and other states that have legalized marijuana. A good first step in removing our highly discriminatory, pointless, and puritanical criminalization of essentially harmless human behavior.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/marijuana/article163750293.html

[Crowbob]

I voted to decriminalize the evil gateway weed.

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I voted to decriminalize the evil gateway weed.

Good for you, you crazy flaming lib!

The first time I went into a weed shop when it became legal here, about half the folks were my age or older. Nothing I've tried, including mega-narcotics post surgery, have been as effective as CBD for pain relief.

[RKDinOKC]

sentence in hours worked instead of years.
They work so much time a day to get food, etc, the rest goes towards their sentence.
You don't work, you don't eat.

[sammyg2]

The more money you throw at the problem, the worse it gets.

Homelessness jumps 12 percent across Los Angeles County despite $619M in spending

LOS ANGELES – The number of homeless people in Los Angeles County jumped 12 percent over the past year, officials announced Tuesday, despite $619 million in government spending to help alleviate the problem.

The annual point-in-time count recorded nearly 59,000 homeless people countywide, with the largest number -- 36,000 -- coming from the city of Los Angeles. The Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, a county agency which conducted the count, delivered its report to the Board of Supervisors at its Tuesday meeting.

The 2018 tally found a slight decrease in the homeless population at just over 53,000 people. Supervisor Janice Hahn called the new numbers "disheartening."

"Even though our data shows we are housing more people than ever, it is hard to be optimistic when that progress is overwhelmed by the number of people falling into homelessness," Hahn said.

Homeless advocates put the blame on elected officials for not doing enough to get people off the street.

"Delay, inaction and spin: this is all [Los Angeles] Mayor [Eric] Garcetti, City Hall and L.A. County officials have to offer on the human catastrophe of homelessness in Los Angeles as they try to spin the expected sharp jump in our homeless count despite over $619 million in spending on the problem in the region over the past year,” said Michael Weinstein, president of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation. “Government policies and the official response to the homeless crisis in L.A. are simply not working."

The count found a 24 percent increase in homeless youth, defined as people under 25, and a 7 percent jump in people 62 or older. An estimated 29 percent of people experiencing homelessness are mentally ill or have substance abuse issues, officials said.

In downtown Los Angeles, large homeless encampments have taken over multiple city blocks and have fueled a public health crisis as garbage pileups, rat infestations and outbreaks of disease have become common in recent years.

Similar counts in other parts of the state have shown increases in the homeless population as cities continue to struggle with a lack of affordable housing, soaring rents and cost of living expenses and resistance from residents to homeless shelters.
San Francisco creates ‘Poop Patrol’ to battle human waste problemVideo

“If we don't change the fundamentals of housing affordability, this is going to be a very long road,” Peter Lynn, executive director of the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority (LAHSA), told The Los Angeles Times. “If we don't get ahead of affordability, we're going to be very hard pressed to get ahead of homelessness.”

In nearby Orange County, supervisors last year overturned a plan to place emergency homeless shelters in three affluent cities after fierce opposition. In San Francisco, residents earlier this year collected over $60,000 after starting an online crowdsourcing campaign to fund a legal challenge against a proposed 200-bed homeless shelter.

Still, voters in Los Angeles County have heeded the call to confront the issue. Two years ago, they passed a tax hike and housing bond to make massive investments to help solve the homeless crisis.

The LAHSA said it helped 21,631 people move into permanent housing during 2018 — a pace that could end homelessness rapidly if increasing rents and stagnant wages for low-income earners had not pushed thousands more into the streets.

About a quarter of the people became homeless for the first time in the past year, and about half of those cited economic hardship as the primary cause, the authority said.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/homelessness-jumps-12-across-los-angeles-county

[Geoz1]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

The more money you throw at the problem, the worse it gets.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/homelessness-jumps-12-across-los-angeles-county

Keep throwing money at the problem!!! Those who do not wan't to help them selves are the problem. Help is available. Maybe a tax on needles needs to be put in place? Tax needles like beer cans.

The government does not owe you, if you are a junky. Help is available, if you choose to seek it. If not, you have 2 choices, prison or death. The government still pays for both. Take your pick.

Our county gives away billions, to other countries to "help" their residents. Why do we not focus on what happens in the US? Where is that money going? Why do they want to come here?

[Superman]

Originally Posted by Geoz1

Keep throwing money at the problem!!!

It would seem that, as expensive as incarceration is, treatment is cheaper. Particularly when you consider the social costs (like theft, shoplifting, ruining retail centers).

This has been a very good conversation. Any jackass can send this to PARF.

Dear Jackass, please don't send this to PARF.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Superman

It would seem that, as expensive as incarceration is, treatment is cheaper. Particularly when you consider the social costs (like theft, shoplifting, ruining retail centers).

I've read prisoners cost $25-50K per year, add in law enforcement and legal, so yeah that sounds like a fair assessment.
The big numbers would explain all.

But there should also be a way to dis-incentivize the prison party loop.
The foxes run the hen house now.
Prisoners should have to earn their tv and jello (anonymous 3rd party rater), cameras everywhere to eliminate the gang work, more instant punitive measures like stun ankle bracelets, and put them to work until they are worn out like the rest of us.
Some are purely irredeemable and just need to live in solitary the rest of their lives or just be put under for the good of society.
The others need to get onto a rehabilitation program to fix whatever got them there in the first place.

[Geoz1]

Originally Posted by john70t

I've read prisoners cost $25-50K per year, add in law enforcement and legal, so yeah that sounds like a fair assessment.
The big numbers would explain all.

But there should also be a way to dis-incentivize the prison party loop.
The foxes run the hen house now.
Prisoners should have to earn their tv and jello (anonymous 3rd party rater), cameras everywhere to eliminate the gang work, more instant punitive measures like stun ankle bracelets, and put them to work until they are worn out like the rest of us.
Some are purely irredeemable and just need to live in solitary the rest of their lives or just be put under for the good of society.
The others need to get onto a rehabilitation program to fix whatever got them there in the first place.

Yes. We treat illegals better than our own prisoners. Illegals are treated better
than citizens. Illegals cost the states more than a citizen felon, that were both incarcerated in the same prison.

You have it all figured out!!!