All Things Aviation Related

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Speculation from pilots on the web is a severe downdraft. The pilots likely got the extra training b/c they overloaded the plane g wise on the recovery-g limit is 2.5 and they hit 2.6, requiring an expensive inspection.

Well sure Glimits are thing, but if the downdraft nearly slams you in the drink, I'de say genuine emergency and "whatever it takes" to get it under control??

3000>800 To me sound like enough to call it critical problem, in how many seconds was that?
how many secs more to swimming?

[svandamme]

https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/united-flight-from-hawaii-came-within-775-feet-of-plunging-into-pacific-ocean/


775 feet from 2200 in 10 seconds
8600 feet / minute
143 fee / sec

5.4 secs more and it would have been a crash story

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Well sure Glimits are thing, but if the downdraft nearly slams you in the drink, I'de say genuine emergency and "whatever it takes" to get it under control??

3000>800 To me sound like enough to call it critical problem, in how many seconds was that?
how many secs more to swimming?

No doubt. They did what they had to do, and the airline covered their tail by giving them extra training. Or it wasn't a downdraft, but not other real explanation.

[Robert Coats]

Piper PA-28 Cherokee engine out after take-off...yikes! Instructor and Student okay...

Linky with video:

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/small-plane-crash-lands-at-dekalb-peachtree-airport

[flipper35]

Piper pilot was incredibly lucky that he didn't crash worse.

[t6dpilot]

That was one lucky maneuver. To attempt "the impossible turn" from a couple hundred feet is a stall/spin waiting to happen. It was darn near that anyway. Those pilots had a greater power looking out for them. Should have turned 20-30 degrees left or right and picked a landing spot. Good that he had the sense to keep that nose down for airspeed and not resist the temptation to pull as the ground gets closer. Best to fly it in control to the scene of the crash with the slowest airspeed. Hope they fully recover from their injuries.

[t6dpilot]

Originally Posted by flipper35

That is a great video. I was flying the Warbird Arrival during the first part of the video. You can hear me report "Staggerwing over Fondulac" as the red Commanche lands after the Corsair go around. It was really sporty and they should not have been sequencing tail draggers to runway 36. That is the runway in the video. Winds were 300 at 15 gusting to 25. Asked me if I could land 36. Unable. I think there were 3 ground loops there. Closed the airport twice as a result. Once as I flew up there and once while approaching Fondulac (O-1 Birdog at the start).

[Nate2046]

Originally Posted by greglepore

No doubt. They did what they had to do, and the airline covered their tail by giving them extra training. Or it wasn't a downdraft, but not other real explanation.

I think it’s very unlikely to have been a downdraft/microburst event. If that were the case they would’ve reported it to ATC at the time. You’d want any trailing aircraft to know about that kind of severe event and you’d also want to document in the recordings the reason for such a large deviation, 1400’, from your clearance.

If I were laying odds I’d say likely to have been a flap retraction below minimum airspeed. Possibly the Pilot Flying commanded a flap setting at too low a speed and the Pilot Monitoring didn’t verify and complied. Or, the PF commanded an appropriate setting and the PM moved the flap handle inadvertently to a lower setting. When the low speed cue or shaker started, they overreacted and buried the nose and lost an inordinate amount of altitude before recovering with a sharp pull up after having recovered airspeed. Or…….something completely different. Not sure we’ll ever hear the full story.

[VINMAN]

And at its final resting place...

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Speculation from pilots on the web is a severe downdraft. The pilots likely got the extra training b/c they overloaded the plane g wise on the recovery-g limit is 2.5 and they hit 2.6, requiring an expensive inspection.

I’d probably trade an inspection for more more power to get out of there too.

[A930Rocket]

Remember the airplane that crashed in Nepal? Turns out it was pilot error. Instead of pulling the lever for flaps, they pulled the lever to feather the props.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/nepal-airplane-crash-possibly-caused-pilot-choosing-wrong-lever

[hcoles]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

Remember the airplane that crashed in Nepal? Turns out it was pilot error. Instead of pulling the lever for flaps, they pulled the lever to feather the props.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/nepal-airplane-crash-possibly-caused-pilot-choosing-wrong-lever

Yeah I watched Juan Brown on that. Maybe the lever handles should be more different.

[KNS]

Originally Posted by hcoles

Yeah I watched Juan Brown on that. Maybe the lever handles should be more different.

It's a wild screw-up. The controls are distinctly different, very much so.

[DRONE]

Meet Fred
https://www.loungebuddy.com/blog/fred-finn-the-worlds-most-travelled-man

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

Remember the airplane that crashed in Nepal? Turns out it was pilot error. Instead of pulling the lever for flaps, they pulled the lever to feather the props.

Aviation is unforgiving and can be embarrassing, especially in simulators. The SH-60 had some really interesting cockpit visuals when there was an engine loss. One of my first simulator hops I, as the co-pilot, pulled the good engine power control lever off.

Swim call.

[oldE]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Aviation is unforgiving and can be embarrassing, especially in simulators. The SH-60 had some really interesting cockpit visuals when there was an engine loss. One of my first simulator hops I, as the co-pilot, pulled the good engine power control lever off.

Swim call.

That was just so everything remained in balance!

Best
Les

[Racerbvd]

[daepp]

Went to the local GA airport with my grandson Saturday. I used to live in the landing path, so I was quite pleased to learn they encourage pilots to be good neighbors!



I think that’s super cool.

[A930Rocket]

U2 pilot takes a selfie with the Chinese balloon. You can see the silhouette of the plane on the balloon.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/selfie-of-u-2-pilot-flying-alongside-chinese-spy-balloon-leaks

[A930Rocket]