Surprised it wasn't a thread already! 2020 mid engine Vette

[aschen]

Yesir in no way am I advocating a slightly above median earner buying a new C8, but we all know they will in droves


Ill get mine preowned in 5 years. Corvettes are the best cars to buy used. Alot of owners baby them and they depreciate relatively quickly

[legion]

Originally Posted by aschen

Ill get mine preowned in 5 years. Corvettes are the best cars to buy used. Alot of owners baby them and they depreciate relatively quickly

Yep.

[JonT]

Help me understand how this car will perform THAT much better than the current Corvette that has perfect 50/50 weight distribution and crazy hp? I just don't see how making it mid-engine will make it all of sudden destroy the current performance of the Grand Sport or Zo6 with the same or less hp. The 8spd auto prob makes the most improvement in performance (moreso than the mid-engine design).

[legion]

Originally Posted by JonT

Help me understand how this car will perform THAT much better than the current Corvette that has perfect 50/50 weight distribution and crazy hp? I just don't see how making it mid-engine will make it all of sudden destroy the current performance of the Grand Sport or Zo6 with the same or less hp. The 8spd auto prob makes the most improvement in performance (moreso than the mid-engine design).

Putting the engine over the rear wheels increases traction. It also makes the car rotate more in corner as the mass in pulled inward. In other words, it puts the weight in better places.

[Geronimo]

C7 GS 0-60 3.6
C8 45+HP and DCT 0-60 sub 3

Compare a Golr R 6spd and DCT 0-60 its huge.

[aschen]

I think where the mid engine will really start to shine is in the higher hp variants. The engine starts to get much heavier with big SC and inter cooler. I think a lot of it is to appease the 0-60 magazine types. I think the lower polar moment and the noise coming from behind you will give the supercar experience even if it doesnt equate to huge losses in lap times.

You are right current vettes in the right trim are already pretty damn fast. I think in the base model it will be an incremental improvement but allows headroom for the really fast models

I have some speculation they were somewhat limited by cooling in the front engine models as well. Now they have more room up front for clever radiator packaging and they have huge side scoops for oilcoolers, intercoolers, etc.

[flipper35]

According to the engineers they were at the limit for acceleration and traction with the front engine car.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by aschen

The base price of the NSX was the same as this vette (60k) when it was released in 91 according to google. It was still a relatively expensive car, about the same as a 911 I think

Yep, the original NSX was 60k, 30 years ago, and from what I remember, most folks paid closer to 90k because the demand was so high. I think the S2000 originally sold for 30k, but was going for 45k or something like that too.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by JonT

Help me understand how this car will perform THAT much better than the current Corvette that has perfect 50/50 weight distribution and crazy hp? I just don't see how making it mid-engine will make it all of sudden destroy the current performance of the Grand Sport or Zo6 with the same or less hp. The 8spd auto prob makes the most improvement in performance (moreso than the mid-engine design).

I'm sure the extra traction from the rear-mid will help, but probably more important than that is all of the other newness thrown at it. I heard the other day that the new 718 GT4 is faster around the ring than the Carrera GT, but a big part of that is newer tire tech. Still, that's really impressive.

Originally Posted by legion

Putting the engine over the rear wheels increases traction. It also makes the car rotate more in corner as the mass in pulled inward. In other words, it puts the weight in better places.

Isn't the current car a Front-mid-engined car? Technically, the engine is behind the front axle? Still, 50/50 front to rear is not necessarily ideal, right? I think for traction's sake, something like 45/55 is considered ideal. I don't know that front-mid versus rear-mid as long as the weight is central enough in both will make much difference in the ability to rotate. I do suspect the rear-mid with more traction will be an improvement.

I suspect that the front-mid with more dumbell effect (front engine, rear transaxle) would actually help 99.9% of drivers drive more quickly by slowing down rotation a tad (like a 944) versus more central rear-mid with engine and trans in a single lump fairly center with quicker rotation that most folks can't handle.

I think I've read an article where Derek Bell said the 944 was actually faster than a similar hp/weight ratio 911 in the hands of almost anyone because the 944 was more stable and easier to push to and over it's limits.

[legion]

Originally Posted by masraum

I think I've read an article where Derek Bell said the 944 was actually faster than a similar hp/weight ratio 911 in the hands of almost anyone because the 944 was more stable and easier to push to and over it's limits.

That's almost certainly true. Conversely, a true mid-engine car will be faster in the hands of an expert driver, all other things being equal.

[Rusty Heap]

Pretty F'in awesome engine.


they put some time into this!

headers are gorgeous.




https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/07/22/how-the-mid-engine-corvette-lt2-v-8-improves-on-the-lt1?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Daily_News_Wednesday_July_24

[Steve Carlton]

There's a lot to like about this car, but man, it looks like an elephant sat on the trunk of a Camaro back there.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by JonT

Help me understand how this car will perform THAT much better than the current Corvette that has perfect 50/50 weight distribution and crazy hp? I just don't see how making it mid-engine will make it all of sudden destroy the current performance of the Grand Sport or Zo6 with the same or less hp. The 8spd auto prob makes the most improvement in performance (moreso than the mid-engine design).

50/50 isn't perfect from a race track lap time perspective on a rwd car.

Acceleration gets better benefit in the rear weight biased car.

There is more vertical pressure on the rear contact patch relative to the car's mass.

When you flip to the braking side of things, a balanced or front weighted car has to have significantly greater front wheel brake bias as you have weight shift under braking.

Rear weight biased cars do not need as much forwards brake bias.

Beyond these three points, there other factors that are far more complex that my understanding is not developed enough to explain.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Beyond these three points, there other factors that are far more complex that my understanding is not developed enough to explain.

Good news! Chevy has done the work for you so all you need to do is pay their ask and have fun.

[aschen]

Jason from engineering explained, shows the benefits of rear mid from a traction limited perspective on the C8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SH4c-oLUQ

From the 0-60 perspective it makes complete sense. I am more curious how it will compare on a roadcourse to say a c6zo6 with the same tires. Power and weight are similar. I am sure it will be a bit faster with a decade or so of advancement but I wonder to what extent.

[javadog]

The rearward weight bias also helps in hard braking.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

There's a lot to like about this car, but man, it looks like an elephant sat on the trunk of a Camaro back there.

Indeed. How quickly do you think they will put another ass end on the back of that thing?

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by javadog

Indeed. How quickly do you think they will put another ass end on the back of that thing?

It's like a camaro dry humped a Toyota MR2.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

It's like a camaro dry humped a Toyota MR2.

I think it will be the star in the next Godzilla movie.

[legion]

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap

Pretty F'in awesome engine.


they put some time into this!

headers are gorgeous.




https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/07/22/how-the-mid-engine-corvette-lt2-v-8-improves-on-the-lt1?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Daily_News_Wednesday_July_24

Even better, there's rumored to be a smaller displacement, higher HP variant with multiple camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder, and a flat-plane crankshaft in development.