To Bad we can't Boycot CANADA

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Originally posted by robh
You're right, it's not spelling class. Please accept my apologies if I seemed a little too abrasive. I knew what you meant, so you still communicated effectively.

I still hope the Yanks won the hockey game.

i don't take things like spelling remarks to seriously (hence the )
targa dude is pissed and i understand why, i handle my "anger" differently than most......i won't call it a grudge but i do remember everything for future referance when i can actually make a difference should the opportunity arise.

i was planning on a trip to canada this summer for vacation (a drive up the us coast to Maine, then home through montreal/toronto route) but recent events has changed my thoughts on doing so.
that is how i feel about canada at this time........too many consistant anti-american from too many candiens......
that is how i show my opinion.

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Originally posted by Victor
Wow.

Is there a foreign country Americe "likes"?

yes there are............but as an example, did you pal up with those who didn't like you when you were in school? i know i didn't.........

[rcecale]

Originally posted by Victor
Wow.

Is there a foreign country Americe "likes"?

Sure there is! We like Afghanistan, so we got them squared away. We like Iraq, we are now squaring them away. Maybe Canada should be the next country we "like"!


Seriously, though, the US does not have the policy of "liking" or "not liking" other countries. We help EVERYBODY. It's just sad that for as much aid and assistance that we provide to all these others 'soveriegn' states, that they continually turn on us. Our money is okay, they have no problem accepting that. Do you really think any of these countries have the intention of paying anything back?

Its not that we are trying to "buy allegience" from them, nor are we trying to control them. Our assistance actually supports a greater good, the world economy! It just gets old to watch all these countries grab our wealth with one hand, and stab us in the back with the other.

Great Britain has proved to be a true friend. Australia has, as well. Many other countries have also. We don't tell you how to run your countries or what policies you must have regarding anything. But then again, I can't remember the last time an Australian terrorist attacked our country, either.


Randy

[expat]

Despite my own feelings about the war in Iraq and the sense of pride I feel for my own country's involvement (Australia), I am really saddened by some of the posts in this off-topic area.

I have spent the past hour reading thru many of the posts, trying to be impartial about each persons particular take on the issues, but the amount of abuse some of the people here are dealing out is truely pathetic.

There are several people here that I no longer have a respect for as they degrade their own individuality into immature '*****iness'.

Im going back to the 911 board.........

Guys and girls in Iraq - be safe, finish the job quickly and get the hell back home....

Iraqi civilians - trust that soon you will be free and have control of your own destiny.

[Doug Zielke]

Thanks for your insightful comments, 'dude.
Know I know exactly what you are about.

[island911]

No doubt this "Saddam thing" has really raised peoples "fight" instincts.(and "flight" for others)

Most of Canada supports this US/British lead endevor. . . they're not like France where 1/3 hope Saddam wins!

Canada is continuing to support the US in Afganistan.

Though, it's no big news that just like the US, Canada does have it's share of liberals that have no stomach for conflict. . unless it's shouting "baby killer" or a hockey game.

[Reg]

Hey Doug, Well Basically it shows what type of upbringing you Canadians instill into your Children, Here in the US we teach our children respect, We instill our children with morals. In sports Our Kids have always been taught true sportsmanship. I have never met or even heard of a US child with his or hers parents to take part in the desicration of any flag. Our American Kids were in shock! Heck! our parents were in shock!!

You are a real piece of work. Narrow minded people like you who judge an entire country over an event like you speak of make me sick. Shame on you!

I will never forget this day:

On October 18th, during the pre-game ceremony for the second game of the 1992 World Series between the Toronto Blue Jays and the Atlanta Braves, a U.S. Marine Corps colour guard mistakenly presented the Canadian flag upside-down. The Toronto Blue Jays went on to win the game 5-4 to even the series at one game each.

Do me a favor and read this article:

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030405.urall0405/BNStory/National

[rcecale]

Reg,

I remember this incident very well. I can assure you, if those Marines are still on active duty today, they still receive an occasional "poke in the eye" about it. The incidents that happened to these kids will only be forgotten.

The biggest difference between this incident and the incident with the kids would be the word "mistakenly" There is no way this group of four Marines did this intentionally, it even states this in the article.

How many of those people that harrased the kids on the hockey team did what they did "mistakenly"? I also remember that the US gave a formal apology to Canada for this incident. Do you think that is going to happen over this incident?

Randy

[Reg]

Randy

The Flag bit brought up reminded me of that day. You can say it was an accident all you want. It could very well have been but may not have been. Remember Baseball is America's game.

I get angry about all this backlash going on. The way I see it is this:

Canada's gov't does not support the timing in which the USA acted. We were waiting on the UN, and hoping for a peaceful resolution. Canada is known for being a peaceful land, right? Plenty of Canadians support the actions currently being taken in Iraq. Some do not.

Canada has about 30 million people with little military to offer anyways. The USA has what, 300 million? I'd even guess there are plenty more Americans against this action than all theh people in Canada.

Toronto Blue Jays even played God Bless America during the 7th inning stretch the other day out of respect and we still get labelled.

Oh, and finally, there are always going to be poor sports out here in the world no matter which country or team or whatever.

[beepbeep]

Originally posted by Targa Dude
Hey.. Robh.. read this..you cheese eating MONKEY!!
It's Obvious who won the game.. Moron.. If you know anything about Hockey.. The Ref's are against you..do you even have to ask what the outcome was? Those friends you have here.. Their
just a bunch Leberals idiots!! thats why you love them.. Their just like you..
Yup.. you are Canadian..
Jorge (Targa Dude)

Hey Jorge, why don't you boycot everyone that doesn't agree with you? Try boycotting this forum, might do you some good...you've been insulting people very frequently in last weeks. I'm generally against calling people names, but you crossed the line long ago and i'm alergic to stupid people, especially if they are rude stupid people.

It's both a strength and weakness of internet that redneck morons like you can drivel around freely. And hey, don't tell me "we americans invented it" beacuse guys who inventend internet have nothing to do with people like you. You'll never socialize with them and you never invented anything and are just a idiot with agenda, taking credit for something other people did. (Btw. those people would unlikely agree with you on any of your "interesting" opinions)

So crawl back under your stone or join the army if you got real balls....who knows, you might get to "invade germany" riding on a elephant!

You are a stereotypical "redneck-type" guy that gives U.S. a bad reputation, and poorly worded to boot.

/Sincerely, "Leberal"


P.S.
I never quite found out what you did for living Something tells me you ain't rocket scientist...care to enlighten us?

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Originally posted by beepbeep
Hey Jorge, why don't you boycot everyone that doesn't agree with you? Try boycotting this forum, might do you some good...

although i may not agree with how jorge speaks his opinion he has every right as an american to speak it.
just as you have every right to call him a redneck.
just as i have every right to flip you the bird.

using the internet to call people rednecks reminds me of when kids make pranks phone calls to mess with people for their own pleasure, except you won't get in trouble for making LD phone calls here.
kids do that because they have no idea what the hell they're doing, just as you have no idea what you're talking about.

if we want to have a war of words maybe we should keep it off of waynes bbs...............i've got my fellow americans' backs.

[CamB]

Hehe

You know, I watched the South Park movie on Saturday night.

Blame Canada! (note, the movie's entire premise is that Canada is responsible for teaching the children of America to swear, and the general corrupting of US children, and the US invades Canada because of this).

The main difference in the movie is that Saddam is dead and in hell, where Satan is his b1tch.

Haha, South Park is clearly either true or visionary.

This is a direct quote (from Gregory, the boy with the posh accent)

"The American government thinks it has the right to police the world. Your government is going to kill two Canadian citizens. An action condemned by the UN (home of the free indeed)."

Eerie, in a way.

[944S Boyeee]

Ya - this is all aboot Canada now, eh? A few French dumbasses do something and now all of Canada is like that? Come on now......America has always ignored our culture, Geography, history and such, but we don't complain.

Jesus Murphy - look, people don't like America. Live with it!......and try learning from it. People "hate" for reasons. If you all had of taken just a few seconds and listened to what Bin Laden was asking for in the first place, none of this mess would even be happening - you didn't have to meet his demands, but you all could have at least listened. All that towel-head wanted was the some removal of US troops from the cities and streets of his home (how would you like to wake up and see German tanks rolling thru your streets?).....reduced santions and for the US to stop supporting certain countries in a war that has been going on for thousands of years. He repeatedly asked for this. No one would listen, so they tried making the USA listen by an attempt at the WTCC the first time. That SHOULD have been enough of a sign that they were serious. Still nobody listened. Then they blew up some US embassies....still no listening or even an attempt to resolve the requests or try and work ANYTHING out. Then they blew up the USS Cole....still nothing from the USA. Finally 9/11 happened. 9/11 (and all the attacks) were absolutely stupid, unneccessary, evil and so not a way to get a point across.......but what other option was there for these "terrorists". I put quotations around Terrorists because I feel Terrorists are people who terrorize to overtake or to destroy. 9/11 was a reply to an earlier attack by the US on them (Aspirin factory anyone?). 9/11 wasn't a "sucker punch" (as many like to call it). EVERYONE and thier horse knew 9/11 was coming. Even when I saw it happening live on TV, the first thing I said was, "Ahhhhh, Bin Laden shot back". Now, keep in mind, I'm not a supporter of what happened - war and being a pussy are two different things - but there was no way Bin Laden could start a war with America, his attacks were just that - attacks. He couldn't have a full-out war and he really didn't want one anyway.....he just wanted someone to listen to his requests, nobody would, so he tried getting America's attention in his own sick way.

America HAS to start listening and stop chastizing. Canada isn't supporting this war for a REASON. People are protesting for a REASON. Other countries are upset for a REASON. The majority of foreign posters here are anti-war for a REASON.

America has to stop the "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude. And even then, the US still doesn't ask questions. Ask most Americans why 9/11 happened or why Canada doesn't support this war and what you will usually get is "Who cares - just get rid of them" or "they are crazy" or "they are anti-US". Those attitudes are very unhealthy, especially for a Nation. I don't understand it......if 9/11 was a "sucker punch", then you should be asking "why?" even moreso. I don't know, but if someone just walked up and hit me out of the blue (which is what people think happpened with 9/11), the first thing I would do is ask, "WHY"??? Mostly because I would want to know how to stop it from happening again. Running around punching other people in the face out of anger, hoping I hit the right person, is the last thing I would do.

Again, this is not an American-basing thing. I'm trying to be helpful - let's see if anyone listens to what I said and thinks, "maybe we should listen to others more often" or if people come back with "go back to Canada, you French bastard" or "you're just anti-American" or "you don't know what the hell you're talking about!!".

Think about it - if America is this saviour and helps everyone without asking for anything in return - why the hatred????? Doesn't make sense to me. I'd start asking some questions, seek some reasons and look for solutions. Perhaps now is the time to stop thinking "Why do people hate us? - cause it's their problem/fault" and perhaps start thinking, "Why do people hate us?.....maybe it's something WE are doing".

Something has to change - America can't keep up this pace. There should be NO hatred of America (I can feel why Americans get mad when they hear they are hated....they shouldn't be)......but for some reasons, they are...and the hatred isn't shrinking. It's not headed in the right direction folks!

944S Boyeee

[turbo6bar]

Jesus Murphy - look, people don't like America. Live with it!......and try learning from it. People "hate" for reasons. If you all had of taken just a few seconds and listened to what Bin Laden was asking for in the first place, none of this mess would even be happening - you didn't have to meet his demands, but you all could have at least listened.


The fact people hate others doesn't mean we have to accept it or bow to others' whims.



All that towel-head wanted was the some removal of US troops from the cities and streets of his home (how would you like to wake up and see German tanks rolling thru your streets?).....

There are many who believe compliance with terrorists is not the right action. Give him an inch and then he asks for a foot.


America has to stop the "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude. And even then, the US still doesn't ask questions. Ask most Americans why 9/11 happened or why Canada doesn't support this war and what you will usually get is "Who cares - just get rid of them" or "they are crazy" or "they are anti-US".

Well, Bin Laden struck first. We are just finishing business. When a bully punches you in the nose, do you say,"What do you want? I'll give you anything." Maybe that is the way it's done elsewhere, but not in the US. Some believe the US shouldn't have become involved in the Gulf War. Hell, I know French who say they would rather be under German occupation. Now that is f'ing messed up. And if you believe that, then the argument is over, because we don't live under the same ideals and beliefs.


Those attitudes are very unhealthy, especially for a Nation. I don't understand it......if 9/11 was a "sucker punch", then you should be asking "why?" even moreso. I don't know, but if someone just walked up and hit me out of the blue (which is what people think happpened with 9/11), the first thing I would do is ask, "WHY"??? Mostly because I would want to know how to stop it from happening again. Running around punching other people in the face out of anger, hoping I hit the right person, is the last thing I would do.


Well, that is why you live in Canada and not the USA. We are going to stop it from happening again, because the guys who do such acts will be living in Hell. To say that I can dissolve another's HATE through my own actions is naive. Sometimes people hate others because of ideological or religious differences. Are you saying I should dispel my ideological or religious background to appease an aggressor? Bin Laden didn't like the sight of US troops in Saudi Arabia. He never said anything about the French, Germans, or legions of other troops liberating Kuwait, eh? Sounds like Bin Laden has selective hatred....



Think about it - if America is this saviour and helps everyone without asking for anything in return - why the hatred?????

You should ask the same of some of your own people.


Something has to change - America can't keep up this pace. There should be NO hatred of America

It's a two way street, Bubba. You can't tell us to stop hating, if your country is guilty of the same *****. I don't like how the Americans ball-players were treated, but I don't hate the Canadian protestors. I simply won't associate with the jack-arses, and I won't let the actions of a few Canadian protestors cloud my view of the others in Canada.

I feel you're painting the US as the LONE bad-guy. Sounds hypocritical to me.

Jurgen

[RallyJon]

There's a difference between "listening" as you put it, and complying with their demands under threat of violence.

I agree that we should be aware of differing points of view. While our government may have misjudged the subhuman levels of sadistic horror that the terrorist groups were willing to inflict on bystanders, I'm pretty sure that we were aware that they had opinions about our policies in the middle east.

So we listen, and we hear that they want America to do many things that we are damn well not going to do. Then what?

Or by "listening" to the extremists, do you really mean negotiating with them or allowing their wishes to influence our foreign policy? If so, please be specific. Shall we abandon Israel? Abandon the (for the sake of arguement) moderate and friendly governments in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt?

Which of their suggestions would you have America follow? And after we give in the first time, under threat of violence, what happens when they pull another opinion out of their butt and threaten to blow something up unless we "listen"?

Does this strike you as a reasonable way to conduct foreign policy?

[944S Boyeee]

I didn't say that just because someone hates you that you should bow down to them or do what they want........I'm just saying people hate for reasons, and yes - those reasons are not always justifiable.

When Bin Laden started asking for the things he asked for - he wasn't a Terrorist, so complying/working with him at that point wasn't like dealing with a Terrorist. The lack of communication or America simply saying "screw off" is what started his dislike. Bin Laden didn't hate America when they used him to fight Russia. Also, how do we know if when you give a Terrorist an inch, he will take a foot? It doesn't hurt to try, no? Bin Laden didn't strike first. The first strike was the abandonment of him and his army and his people after they fought for the US.

I didn't say that hate cannot be dissolved through actions, but violence usually begets more violence. Usually hate is dissolved with love.

I'm not telling America to stop hating - if you read the post correctly, you will see I said America SHOULD NOT be hated around the world.

I'm not painting a picture of America as the lone bad-guy, that would be wrong, but America is on trial here due to it's decision to attack Iraq, of course I'm not going to make, say, Monaco as the center of attention on this subject.

As for Foreign Policy - I have no problem with it - as long as it is fair across the line. I don't think America should have troops anywhere but on American soil, but there are cases that do need attention - problem is, nobody asked America to be the World's Police. And how come when North Korea threatens the US with their weapons, the US listens?

I have two questions......

1. Why is America in the Middle East anyway?
2. If Canada tried to occupy Kuwait, would America intervene and why?

944S Boyeee

[RallyJon]

As for Foreign Policy - I have no problem with it - as long as it is fair across the line. I don't think America should have troops anywhere but on American soil, but there are cases that do need attention - problem is, nobody asked America to be the World's Police. And how come when North Korea threatens the US with their weapons, the US listens?

I have two questions......

1. Why is America in the Middle East anyway?
2. If Canada tried to occupy Kuwait, would America intervene and why?

Oh come on... you can't be asking those questions? Are you asking just to start an argument, or do you really not know the answers? You've got to read up on this stuff before you go spouting off opinions...

[turbo6bar]

I'm just saying people hate for reasons, and yes - those reasons are not always justifiable.

And how does that help us???



Also, how do we know if when you give a Terrorist an inch, he will take a foot? It doesn't hurt to try, no? Bin Laden didn't strike first. The first strike was the abandonment of him and his army and his people after they fought for the US.

It has been general policy to NEVER deal with terrorists. Once you give in to their methods, you open the theater for more terrorists, as it will be viewed that terrorist actions obtain returns.


I didn't say that hate cannot be dissolved through actions, but violence usually begets more violence. Usually hate is dissolved with love.

Love thy Bin Laden. That's a new concept. I really don't think the Americans hate Bin Laden and Saddam NEARLY as much as they hate us. I do agree that the end of hatred begins with oneself.


I'm not telling America to stop hating - if you read the post correctly, you will see I said America SHOULD NOT be hated around the world.

Why are you telling us that the world should stop hating us? You're preaching to the choir. I think you will find most Americans really are indifferent to the rest of the world. Notice I said indifferent and not superior.



I'm not painting a picture of America as the lone bad-guy, that would be wrong, but America is on trial here due to it's decision to attack Iraq...

That's right. We are on trial, and when we see images of Canadians, French, and other allies trashing us, what do you expect us to think. I tend to have an open mind, and I know there will always be extremists. Those extremists garner the attention of the media and those images are thrust upon our minds.



As for Foreign Policy - I have no problem with it - as long as it is fair across the line. I don't think America should have troops anywhere but on American soil, but there are cases that do need attention - problem is, nobody asked America to be the World's Police. And how come when North Korea threatens the US with their weapons, the US listens?

But you see this is where it gets hazy. Each person has an ideal perception of US foreign policy. No matter what is done, somebody will not be happy. I don't feel US foreign policy is perfect. Never was. Never will be. Foreign policy is not guided by right vs. wrong choices. It is influenced by economic, political, and covert (as opposed to overt and not military) forces. This is purely evident by the UN. It is very difficult to get any sort of consensus, because each country has special interests.



1. Why is America in the Middle East anyway?
2. If Canada tried to occupy Kuwait, would America intervene and why?

1 Oil, power, international interests, domestic security.
2 Canada couldn't fight their way through a paper mache fence. I have no idea what America would do. I guess I could flip the question and ask "If Russia tried to occupy Canada, would America intervene and why?" I think we know the answer to that question. I think you are really downplaying the will of the international community. In this day, forced occupation is not well received by the world community. We have a hard time convincing the world that invading Iraq is justified. Do you really think Canadian invasion of Kuwait (as laughable as it sounds) really has a chance in heck of happening? Heck no, and it doesn't matter what country tries to invade Kuwait. We won't let it happen.

jurgen

[Targa Dude]

BeepBeep,
I was watching MSNBC over the weekend when, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf came on and started rambling off one of his speeches. It really reminded me of you I couldn’t decide between yourself and Baghdad BOB as we Infidels refer to him who is more delusional and misinformed, the sad part is you both really believe what your saying to be true what a pity. As for boycott’s are concerned your absolutely right I will continue to boycott all who are against the US in particular France.
Beep being you are not American, are you aware that your persistence of referring to me as a Redneck can only be received as a complement to my beliefs don’t you see We are Red Necks, We are Yank’s we are a True Democracy but most of all We are a Proud Nation that is a belief that only a True American will understand and one that most foreign countries like Sweden included wish they had.
I completely appreciate your sentiments and comments with your total disrespect of The US and all the great inventions and contributions to the world and combined with their intended uses can only add to your discontentment and contemptible beliefs. We are in fact the greatest Country and that reality is hard for you to accept especially you being Swedish were The Peoples Liberal Party are not like the Liberals here in the US The fact is, you are Communists and use the tile of Liberals for a more socially acceptable title but you aren’t fooling anyone. What’s even more interesting is our Liberals here in the US don’t respect you to them you are still communists and openly frown on you and your party.
The United States is a Great Country, we invent what other countries only wish they could, but we are not selfish we do allow and share our technological achievements with deprived and under developed countries even like yours.
It’s completely obvious why people like you hate the United States, We are a most powerful force to recon with, and we are the most technological advanced in the world and the most industrious that’s why we do what we know is right for us and for the sake of the free world.
And when we liberate a country like Iraq it’s people like you that spread propaganda about the US doing it just for the Oil it just makes me sick.

Oh as for what I do for a living. Right Now I’m thinking I should entrepreneur as a PIMP, My title would be “Grand Master J” I’m in the process of building up a stable of Swedish Hoes, See Swedish B*tches are easy to find. I found you right? Yippie Ka yea!!

Jorge ( Targa Dude)
Infidels Unite!!

[beepbeep]

Awwww ... c'mon Jorge, you can do better than that!

P.S. You played with broken toys as a kid, right?