To Bad we can't Boycot CANADA

[bell]

Originally posted by CamB
[i]When that "helps" the world, I have to endure you referring to the US as "saving everyones ass". If there were no other asses to save, the US would still do it. So I just can't accept any argument that the US is saving asses altruistically (which is what you imply).

do you porpously take things out of context?
are you forgetting that in this instance the british are just as pursuant as the US in iraq?
if the US was no longer in existance the world economy would fail and take a VERY long time to recover......
what would've happened if the nazi's succeded? hitler although powerfull in his time started somewhere......just as saddam. using your citizens as shields as saddam has been, or murdering those citezens won't fight on his behalf is along the same lines.......only this time and age there are the means to stop it.
if i wanted to say "saving everyones asses" i would've typed that.
if we sat back and watched what happened (like we unfortunately did with rawanda) then the world would NOT be a better place.

either way you look at it it's a catch 22.
murderous regimes, genocide, and bio-warfare does in no way make the world a better place.
this time the US is under threat, which threatens our (yes our) way of life, which in turn does affect the way of your life in your county...... the US contributes so much to the safety of the world that if we did sit back and just watch i can assure you that you would notice negative effects in all the free world. unfortunately that's the way it is......this isn't 400 years ago where you only had to worry about your immediate violent neighbors, this my freind is the 21st century and there is not a damn thing we can do about it.

one of the reasons countries ask for our help is because we ARE the big kid on the block, like it or not. this country has grown over the last 200 years to something very large and powerfull, that is just a fact. it's not saying we're "better" than anyone else, it's just the fact that within the free world a passion of freedom takes hold of all those that experience it and it's something the majority sees worth fighting for to keep it.....for the benifit of everyone. period.

[CamB]

one of the reasons countries ask for our help is because we ARE the big kid on the block, like it or not. this country has grown over the last 200 years to something very large and powerfull, that is just a fact.

I know. And I do appreciate that the US will probably help my little country if it needed it. That is very cool.

But you guys are so heavy handed, to the point of being unpleasant, about it. Mark (expathk) put it so much better than me.

(edit) Yes, I would rather have unpleasant help than no help at all. But pleasant help is still better and achievable, IMO.

[Rob McKibbon]

Canadian..... and proud of it!!!!!!

I originally posted to this thread because I thought it was a sincere post regarding this tragic incident with the American hockey team. (Which I am Appalled!!) Had I known it was posted as a "dig" to stir up emotions and give people pleasure insulting each other, I would have NEVER bothered.

I have a great respect for men and women who give their lives to serve their Countries, regardless of the Country. Both my grandfathers served in the war, one of whom I lost in the war. My grandmother raised two boys without a father her whole life, both those boys served in the Canadian Air Force and were raised with a great amount of respect towards the men and women who give their lives for their Country. My grandmother was a strong and loving women, who ensured that the memories of the military would be passed on in her family.

My brother, whom I just spent the weekend with in Calgary, is serving for the NY branch of the U.N., implementing the Unicef program in Afghanistan. He served the Canadian Armed Forces for over 20 years and was the youngest Canadian Major in non-war times, retired a Lieutenant-Colonel about 4 years ago. His home and business in Afghanistan has been bombed and shot many times - his life is at risk everyday. He drives a black 1980 Fiat Spyder Cab when home and loves his car - He could be killed and never have the chance to drive it again.

These people just don't serve because there's a war! It's their whole life; they train, eat, drink and sleep it, in the event that our Freedoms are challenged. They "SERVE" our Countries, regardless of their mission, the leadership or personal beliefs.

Have some respect for us fellow Canadians! We have a long history together and we have alot of respect for the Americans, there is no doubt about it. I joined this BBS to find out about my car; after ordering parts from our host, I stumbled onto this board. After reading and posting, I have made some friends and I have come to know some really great people!!! This board is so awesome because of the people here - whom show so much respect and intelligence, it's unfounded?

I'm a Porsche man until the day I die; and I'm going to convert as many of my friends as I can........ so I'm stuck here, whether you like me or not, because this board rocks! I wish to continue making friends and I strongly respect our "Host" and will order all the parts, books and videos I can afford, to support them.

But this thread has ended my extension of friendship to some; I have lost respect for those idiots whom have lost respect for what we are truly all about. These idiots (Stole the term from my friend the Dr.) wouldn't so much as break their finger nails defending anything and they have no idea about what a sacrifice it is to "SERVE" your Country!!! I may disagree with my friends, but they have my respect - guys like Stealthn are stand up guys, regardless of what Country they were born in or what they believe?

I'm Irish Canadian, and a fighting one at that! I would die to protect my Country and Family, and I've the backbone to stand behind the statement. If I could stand in the room with some of you idiots (you know who you are), I'd smack ya but good! So lay off the crap and show some respect for the people who post on this board, regardless of where they're from, their color, origin or beliefs. And you'd better lay off the anti-Canadian stuff real quick or I'm gonna be standing in the room with ya!

My friends, your prayers for the men and women who SERVE are appreciated; an extra prayer for my brother please..... his name is Terry.

(If I sound upset, I apologize; it may be the post winter blues from being in Calgary, it may be seeing my brother in Calgary, it may be from missing my grandson in Calgary or it may be the final electrical issues I'm fixing before I get the Pcar on the road?)

[bell]

Originally posted by CamB


But you guys are so heavy handed, to the point of being unpleasant, about it. Mark (expathk) put it so much better than me.

(edit) Yes, I would rather have unpleasant help than no help at all. But pleasant help is still better and achievable, IMO.

when i was a very young child my parents used to make me eat brussel sprouts.......i didn't like it but they did it for my well being, i'm sure similar goes on for every family on this earth.

is this what the US gov is doing? maybe so, other than my votes i can't control them, and neither can the other 284,XXX,XXX people in the US, it's refered as patriotism when we stand our ground behind our government, not "we're better than you or them or them", alot of this country was split with our opinions on this, i personally didn't want to see my family/freinds go into battle but when they did i'm behind them 110%.
as i said before i don't agree with all of our politicians, but it's my personal duty as an american to stand behind them.
expathk had some valid points, but i wasn't as clear as i should've been as calling this "chess board" ours. it belongs to the free world.

as far as the US being heavy handed.......yes they can be and have been, but every democratic option was exahsted before the decision was made to take action, and not just with iraq.
as i said our votes are the one way to "control" our government, will bush get re-elected? who knows, the outcome of this will have a hand in it i'm sure, either way there will be one less citizen murdering regime on the planet which will benifit every single democratic country.

and a serious question.......how has the US being heavy handed affected YOUR personal life......it's affected mine by having friends/family fighting for this worlds freedom, many times while being spat on by protestors and unappreciated by many (americans included)
i'm sure the british ask themselves the same question and have very similar answers, along with many other nations.

my main point with all of this is that the UN failed to deliver on the duty it was appointed (by more countries than just the US), to disarm iraq. that is what many seem to overlook and the US and it's allies have to pay for it, verbally and with lives.

[bell]

Originally posted by Rob McKibbon
Canadian..... and proud of it!!!!!!

we posted at the same time......
understandably, if I offended anyone who wasn't asking for it (they know who they are) you get my appology.
i'm glad these "debates" have stayed in the OT forum, i'm about through voicing my opinion on these topics as i too have made ALOT of friends on this bbs and don't know how many i've alienated here by my comments.
when it all boils down to it us p-car guys need to stick together.

[Rob McKibbon]

Originally posted by bell
when it all boils down to it us p-car guys need to stick together.

Appreciate that!!!!!
Thank-you

[Targa Dude]

Stealth, “Be glad I’m so far away!” That’s a Bold Statement is that supposed to scare me? Is there a subliminal message in your statement? Are you saying if you were here I would have to be looking over my shoulder, because of you? Surely you gist! Dude, you sit behind your keyboard over a thousand miles away and make cowardly remarks, your killing me here. Are you now using your tool to pretend to be a man? Like you’re some Bad dude? Grow up! And quit being a fool.

As for my intolerance you’re right, I am beginning to develop Zero tolerance to the Leftist Liberal virulence called Communism, socialism, or fascism but most of all I have intolerance for countries and individuals who have gone out of their way to condemn The United States of America.
Now you mention Kids under 12 and guns I’m sure if you look further in to your facts you will find the biggest contributor to those deaths are Kids finding loaded guns and not what your trying to imply that our kids are going around and shooting each other or Canadian kids.

You know you speak just like a true Liberal, and like a Liberal when backed into a corner the first things they do is bring up the past, change the subject, They distort the truth and sometimes even fabricate delusional Anecdotes to either deter or suppress the truth. Guess what? You’re not succeeding.

Now, what is accurate in your statement is, I do believe the US is the greatest Nation in the world.
In my occupational travels I have been to six countries, I have never been threatened nor have I been insulted on the contrary I have always been very well received. At this time I’m keeping my occupational travels to a minimum. But I make great efforts spend as much time with my wife and kids on my island. I also agree there are countries were I would feel exactly like you mention. Now why in the world would I even consider going there? As for being able to go anywhere because you’re a cheese head I cannot argue that point. But why is that exactly? Well who cares.
You generalize that Americans are hated because we have an elitist, narrow-minded attitude,
What you really mean is, we’re Confident, We are not easily persuaded but definitely full of attitude.
It must be difficult to live in country full of sheep.

Jorge (Targa Dude)
Infidels UNITE!

[CamB]

""my main point with all of this is that the UN failed to deliver on the duty it was appointed (by more countries than just the US), to disarm iraq. and other similar stuff.

Actually, the UN failed to deliver it in the US's timeframe. And that, plain and simple, is what gets me.

I've posted something to this affect elsewhere already - I am 100% behind the guys and girls fighting over there now. I realise (although I am unhappy) that many Coalition and Iraqi soldiers and citizens have and will continue to die, and I believe that the evil of that is lesser than the longer term evil of Saddam.

But the US attacked too early if you ask me (and the UN). Lets not rehash that argument (BTDT). You can't base half your argument on the US being justified in invading Iraq when more than 1/2 the world disagrees.

And why did the US go early? Because they don't give a toss about what the rest of the world thinks, because they are so big and powerful. That is wrong, plain and simple.

[expat]

arrrrrgh

Im sorry Targa Dude...you've lost it.

Quit the name calling and maintain some level of decorum, even when others rile you...rise above it

[beepbeep]

Mohahahaha

Great Targa dude! You live on a island too! Somehow i'm not surprised at all. And you've been in six countries! Wohooo!

As for my intolerance you’re right, I am beginning to develop Zero tolerance to the Leftist Liberal virulence called Communism, socialism, or fascism but most of all I have intolerance for countries and individuals who have gone out of their way to condemn The United States of America.

LOL! Do you know meaning of those words "dude"??

You keep hiding behind "we americans" but you are not a typical american dude. You're a left flank off bell curve...a statistical fact that always exist. If you put together certain amount of people somebody has to be rude, ignorant or just plain stupid. Well, i guess you have the honours in this case Congratulations...

[RallyJon]

If you put together certain amount of people somebody has to be rude, ignorant or just plain stupid.

Perhaps Targa Dude wins the honors for rude, but the ignorant and stupid prizes still have quite a few contenders.

beepbeep, every post of yours I can find is either baiting, rhetorical, a straw man argument, or just insults. Do you have any actual fully formed, well-reasoned opinions supported by anything more than your hatred of George Bush and contempt for Americans?

[beepbeep]

Well I tried. I really did. unfortunately every time i wanted to make a normal discussion few guys that don't need to be mentioned by names jumped up and started shouting "liberal, fascist, cheeseater" etc. etc. Every argument against their "belief" was "leftist propaganda" so i just shruged and started to play their own game.

Second thing: i definately don't hate America. Far from it... I just don't like this kind of people.

[944S Boyeee]

beepbeep - welcome to the club.

We can call it......"we tried to talk, but all these new catchphrase insults keep showing up Club".

I don't know how many more times I can read an American type "who cares". It's past the point of trying to get opinions and points across and has entered into the space where I am starting to feel sorry for certain Americans.

Insult Canada all you want.....but we are consistantly in the top 5 places in the World that people would choose to live, and that says a lot considering we are like a 10-minute drive away from "perfectville".

944S Boyeee

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by 944S Boyeee
...we are consistantly in the top 5 places in the World that people would choose to live...

In a survey by Ice Fishing Quarterly?

[andrew15]

Actually I think in Ice Fishing Quarterly ranks us only behind Michigan so we would be #2 in that case.

[speeder]

Originally posted by bell




and a serious question.......how has the US being heavy handed affected YOUR personal life......it's affected mine by having friends/family fighting for this worlds freedom, many times while being spat on by protestors and unappreciated by many (americans included)

Just couldn't let this slide. As to this endlessly repeated urban myth of people lining up at airports or train stations to spit on military personnel returning from Viet Nam, it never happened. Certainly these soldiers' contribution was under-appreciated by many, (and this I regret), but the spitting-party story is a stinking pile of B.S. that is part of right-wing folklore to demonize anti-war protesters. It does not accurately catogorise any anti-war people that I ever met in the '60s, when my parents and millions of others were against the war, although there are certainly nut-cases and jerks on every side of the issue. (As can be seen here at times).

[bell]

Originally posted by speeder
Just couldn't let this slide. As to this endlessly repeated urban myth of people lining up at airports or train stations to spit on military personnel returning from Viet Nam, it never happened. Certainly these soldiers' contribution was under-appreciated by many, (and this I regret), but the spitting-party story is a stinking pile of B.S. that is part of right-wing folklore to demonize anti-war protesters. It does not accurately catogorise any anti-war people that I ever met in the '60s, when my parents and millions of others were against the war, although there are certainly nut-cases and jerks on every side of the issue. (As can be seen here at times).

you know it was an easy question which you have yet to answer.
the "spitting" comment was in referance to an actual incident that i was witness to during the gulf war while welcoming freinds home, but that was MY experience......where is yours?

[beepbeep]

Hey Bell, tell us about god, guns and family values, would you?

[island911]

Hey Beeper, tell us about welfare, Suicide and family drinking values, would you?

[bell]

yea that was an inteligent response......
is home protection a family value?.......i'm am me because it is who i am....
i won't even start on the "god" comment........
and if you like guns we have a lockable cabinet with a few variances of HK's and others in my apartment which get used regularly....

so......."have YOU spoken to god lately?"