Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 11416845)

Questions to those who have received the vaccine:
IF you are so sure that the vaccine is safe and is effective, then what does it matter to you if someone doesn't get the vaccine and may get sick? They won't be infecting you.

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 11417077)

"A basic justification for vaccine mandates is that your freedom doesn’t include the freedom to endanger the rest of your community. The principle is a bedrock of democratic philosophy and the American legal tradition, with courts applying it to a variety of contexts including public health."

“You can’t walk around assaulting people just because you feel like it’s an important part of your self-expression,” Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, said in an interview. “And you can’t dump pollutants into a town’s drinking water just because you’d rather not pay for cleanup. By the same token, we require kids to get vaccinated for all sorts of illnesses before they go to public school. Otherwise, their bodies could be used as vectors to harm others.”

The most important legal precedent on vaccines specifically is a 1905 case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts, in which the Supreme Court upheld a state law requiring smallpox vaccination for adults. Just this week, a panel from a federal appeals court cited Jacobson when it upheld, unanimously, a new COVID-19 vaccine requirement for students at Indiana University.

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11417103)

Did you have a nanny as a kid? ...still miss her?

Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 11417097)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1628432693.jpg
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/european-agency-confirms-covid-19-vaccine-fatalities

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11417132)

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11417132)

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 11417166)

What are the chances that a child living in a rural area of the United States will die of COVID without the vaccination? It seems chances are infinitesimally low that they will ever even catch COVID, much less die of it. Why would we force them to take a vaccine (that has actually killed children against their parents will)? Which has the highest risk for the child (vaccination or not)?

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11417132)

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 11417211)

Probably pretty low and not overly concerned about those isolated people.

More like the number of unvaccinated making their way from all over the country to Sturgis this weekend for 10 days of close proximity partying and merrymaking.

They do eventually go home.

Some of them probably to their families.

Maybe in rural areas?

Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 11417212)

Thanks, rougher than I expected (to be fair, I didn't expect anything) definitely not positive side effects and still deal with it. I received the Moderna.

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11417154)

Let's see...350 million doses given in the USA alone...the first wave of those was only people 65 and older, in some states it was 75 and older, (Minnesota).

Originally Posted by dafischer (Post 11417271)

Really? Who got the other 17 million plus doses?

https://www.census.gov/popclock/

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11417228)

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 11417102)

We don't really care about them, we have been clear about that. But the consequences of their decision may not be limited to just themselves. The longer this circulates the more it mutates raising the possibility that it mutates into a variant that renders all current immunities, whether derived through vaccine or natural exposure, ineffective.

It is mutating anyway. Crossover infections are happening. Then there is this nastly little problem to sickness and death from getting the vaccine.

This is just classic whataboutism that has zero to do with the topic at hand. And no, they are not taxing the healthcare system the same way as COVID, not even close. In fact if you care about those peoples access to medical care you would want everyone to get vaccinated so as not to unduly burden the system with something you can prevent and takes 5 minutes of your time, it's selfish.

Wait, WHAT? The consequences of smoking is not taxing our healthcare system? M-kay.


Any reasonable person is concerned about getting sick. That's not virtue signaling, that's just common ****ing sense.

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11417228)