What should consequences be for those that decline the vax?

[Geronimo '74]

Force it on them, unknowingly.

[red-beard]

The real consequence for those not getting the vaccine will be them joining hard immunity the "other" way.

[ckelly78z]

So we are now deciding the punishment for those who don't blindly comply with a CDC suggestion to take an experimental vaccine, to reduce the severity of a virus ? It doesn't keep anyone from getting, or spreading the virus (even the far superior folks who have been vaccinated) ?

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Do I give a flying **** if someone's informed decision ends in a dirt nap for them? No, I don't. We tried to talk to them. They made their choice. Not gonna lose a wink of sleep.

Does leaning towards mandatory vaccinations make me a Fascist? We can argue that all day long and never see eye to eye and I don't give a flying **** about that either.

Who you should be asking is the families of those 600,000 and those still to come. I think their opinion has more merit than ours.

Stomach: I guess this is where I'm at with the state of things. I don't give a rats a$$ of what people do or don't do. Everybody is dug in. I'm going to look out for me.

I am old enough to be included to get in line at school to get polio and smaellpox shots in the 1950s. It was a unified effort, a national cause. I don't get it - but we a have personal choice and freedom card that is pulled. The freedom card is a dog whistle to me.

Finally, the ultimate truth are the over 600K who have lost their lives and how that is affected their families.

[cabmandone]

A mandatory date with Rosie O'Donnell with sex being required? That'd get most men to get the vaccine and probably 90% of the women too.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by jcommin

The freedom card is a dog whistle to me.

Finally, the ultimate truth are the over 600K who have lost their lives and how that is affected their families.

If the vaccines works, what are you worried about?

If not, then seal the boarder, restrict travel to/from other countries and start lock downs again. Can't be too careful when the dig whistle blows.

Yes? BTW, what is COVID death rate for a 30 year-old with no co-morbidity factors?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by cabmando

A mandatory date with Rosie O'Donnell with sex being required? That'd get most men to get the vaccine and probably 90% of the women too.

Unconstitutional. Cruel and unusual punishment,

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

If the vaccines works, what are you worried about?

If not, then seal the boarder, restrict travel to/from other countries and start lock downs again. Can't be too careful when the dig whistle blows.

Yes? BTW, what is COVID morbidity rate for a 30 year-old with no co-morbidity factors?

100% among those infected.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by jcommin

Stomach: I guess this is where I'm at with the state of things. I don't give a rats a$$ of what people do or don't do. Everybody is dug in. I'm going to look out for me.

Pretty much where I am now. If I need a hospital and it's full up with non-vaxed covid patients I'll just have to deal with it. The chances are low that need a hospital, and if it happens it's just part of life.

Originally Posted by jcommin

I am old enough to be included to get in line at school to get polio and smaellpox shots in the 1950s. It was a unified effort, a national cause. I don't get it - but we a have personal choice and freedom card that is pulled. The freedom card is a dog whistle to me.

I hear it too. "Freedom" and "Rights" are dog whistles that just mean, "F$ck you, I've got mine" to too many Americans.
I think our founding fathers didn't bother with a Bill of Responsibilities when they created a Bill of Rights because they assumed US citizens would feel a sense of responsibility to each other if they were going to make our democracy work.
Looks like they overestimated Americans.
Sometime since the 1950s people decided exercise of their "rights" was all our country needed to survive. So few people feel any sense of responsibility to their fellow citizens these days. It's sad, and I think it's another rung on the ladder down to the demise if this great experiment in democracy.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

If the vaccines works, what are you worried about?

He said, "I don't give a rats a$$ of what people do or don't do," so I'd say he isn't worried about a whole lot.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

If the vaccinated can still spread the virus, which I've been hearing they can, why do the vaccinated care about who's unvaccinated?
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Since the unvaccinated are more likely to become severely ill and maybe die.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Since the unvaccinated are more likely to become severely ill and maybe die.

I feel bad about those who literally can not take a vaccine for medical reasons. But they are in the minority from what I've read. Most anti-vaxers are political extremists and/or conspiracy nuts and as far as they're concerned I'm OK if the consequence of their choice is illness and/or death. It's their choice.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

He said, "I don't give a rats a$$ of what people do or don't do," so I'd say he isn't worried about a whole lot.

I asked him what he is worried about concerning the virus, not his GAS Meter. If the vaccines are effective, what are his concerns?

I recommend we shut down the border, restrict travel to/from countries outside our borders, issue state-by-state travel restrictions, and isolate all those who have not gotten the vaccine, including the majority of blacks and hispanics in this country.

Ready?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I feel bad about those who literally can not take a vaccine for medical reasons. But they are in the minority from what I've read. Most anti-vaxers are political extremists and/or conspiracy nuts and as far as they're concerned I'm OK if the consequence of their choice is illness and/or death. It's their choice.

There is one category which you failed to mention, that of people that have done a little deeper dive into the vaccine and found it to be wanting. These people are neither extremists nor conspiracy nuts, they’re just simply concerned about their health and smart enough to do a little due diligence before submitting to groupthink.

If you think that these vaccines are as effective as your natural immunity or without side effects for everyone concerned, not counting those few where the side effects are severe, then you just haven’t done any homework. That is your right, just don’t criticize those that have done so, for they might be proven to be smarter than you, in the end.

Thinking for yourself might not be familiar to you, but rest assured, it’s business as usual for a significant percentage of the population.

[group911@aol.co]

Anyone who looks seriously at your rationalizations really needs to look at your all time best thread. Puts it all into perspective. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1098838-okay-i-initially-thought-unadulterated-bs-how-about-experiment.html

Originally Posted by Tobra

In case you guys missed it, I am talking about the government mandating vaccinations. Businesses request you be vaccinated. It is kind of a big difference, and NONE of the conservatives are talking about the government telling businesses what to do. It is not that complicated, try and follow along


Glad I made it anonymous. Wow, we have some straight up fascists here.



Rational and reasonable is not on the menu.

Poll not exactly binary, but pretty much.

You are not all that reluctant to impose punitive measures. You are saying the government should mandate it, except for people who are unable to take the vaccine.

Who gets to decide who is unable?

What is next?



Should be, but we have government mandates right now.

If wishes were fishes, nobody ever goes hungry.

There will be consequences



GD terrifying


Neither of which were investigational drugs when given to millions.



The government has done this since before you were born, and you are old.


Would not trouble you for long

So the same as the COVID 19 numbers.



Of course, but if rational approach was the game, we would have tested for antibodies prior to the jab, or at the very least not given it to people who already were proven cases.


Sort of stupid the way we did it, really stupid.

[T77911S]

we have to listen to the smugness of those that got it.

we also have to deal with the idiotic statement that we are endangering the lives of those that got it.

[javadog]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/why_i_refuse_to_be_vaccinated.html

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Ready?

Nope. I'm vaccinated and so are all my friends and my family - except for my brother and his wife's political tribe. I'm even at the point of no longer worrying about them. Sometimes all you can do is love someone.
As I said, I feel bad about those who literally can not take a vaccine for medical reasons. But those who are anti-vaxers motivated by political and/or conspiracy nuts I'm OK if the consequence of their choice is illness and/or death. Their choice has little affect on me and it's their choice.

There is an old story about a man who was caught in a flood.
He was sitting on his front porch when a police car came tearing down the street warning everyone, "Evacuate immediately. The dam is about to break and the town would soon be flooded".
Guy on the porch said, "No. I believe in God's Providence. He will protect me."
A couple hours later he is sitting on his second story window sill with flood water lapping at his feet.
Some men came along in a boat and said, "Hop in the boat! We'll take you to safety!"
Guy in the window said, "No. I believe in God's Providence. He will protect me."
A couple hours later he is sitting on the peak of his roof with the flood water up to his knees.
A helicopter came by and dropped a rope. "Grab onto the rope and we'll take you to safety!"
Guy on the roof said, "No. I believe in God's Providence. He will protect me."
Pretty soon the guy was swept away by the flood and drowned.
When he got to heaven he asked God, "God, I believed in you and trusted you and thought you would protect me. Why did you abandon me in my hour of need?"
God said, "ABANDON?? I sent you a warning, a boat, and a helicopter, what the hell do you want??

So my attitude is that God has tried to help these people and if they don't want to accept the help they'll have to meet Him and talk to Him about it personally. I'm out.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by javadog

There is one category which you failed to mention, that of people that have done a little deeper dive into the vaccine and found it to be wanting. These people are neither extremists nor conspiracy nuts, they’re just simply concerned about their health and smart enough to do a little due diligence before submitting to groupthink.
.

Right away, the leftys on here love to toss out he whole "nut-con", "Trumper", anti vax conspiracy bull s..t. I have plenty of friends in the health care and first responder field that are flaming liberals , that are totally against getting jabbed, and it has ZERO to do with conspiracy or politics.

[Joe Bob]

Funny.....I brought "camps" last year in a thread and got shat on. This thread has multiple references from internment to execution. The poll shows 18% in agreement for that option.

How times change.....