Vaccines are moving the needle...

[javadog]

I wasn’t talking about that kind of pie, either…

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by javadog

I wasn’t talking about that kind of pie, either…

How does eating three pies aid recovery?

[javadog]

It’s an excuse to take care of your sister by bringing her a pie and boosting her spirits.

Everybody likes pie.

[Bob Kontak]

She's down in Charlotte as is my Dad.

He's been up my ask about a visit. That could work.

This is right down this street a few. https://www.gardnerpie.com/

[javadog]

Damn, that’s a lot of pies. I would be there often.

When I went to school at OU in Norman Oklahoma, I would make a weekly trip to Oklahoma City to go to Anna Maude’s Pie Pantry. I would buy several pies, usually cherry and blueberry. My senior year, I was eating half a pie a day.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by island911

...back to your arm.

Booster shots after 8 months.

I thought it was 5 months.

[island911]

Originally Posted by cabmando

I dunno... you guys won me over. I'm straight up heartworm meds and vitamin D. None of that scientifical stuff for me!

You sound like the guys on Idiocracy. The Vax is Brawndo



Medicine? Like for horsies?

[McLovin]

https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1432312267803140097?s=10

[McLovin]

I just got back from Chicago.
Ironically, despite that elementary school teacher’s full Hazmat getup, Chicago is FULLY open.
Bars and restaurants packed shoulder to shoulder, no masks, no restrictions, etc.
In other words, if it was in Sturgis it would be known in the media as a “superspreader” city.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by island911

What about sympathy for fat people who end up there with the much more deadly heart disease? Are they like OMG, she's so FAT. She deserves to die. How are we expected to have any sympathy for her over-fed piehole clogged heart? ?

Or is their lack of sympathy only for those who don't get a vaccine, like fit 20 y/o's who skip the jab? - the ones who come to hospital for a track injury and are shamed for not being vax'd.

Good point.

We are in the midst of an obesity pandemic.

[island911]

^ but at least people have been told to stay home and stay stressed. (be afraid)

Seriously, one would think that -if the CDC et al cared about helping health- that the message of exercise would be loud and clear. Maybe go for a long walk on a beach... oh wait.

Instead we got the vaccine-a-thon on all channels 24/7. The "entertainment" being the message of "the old Land of the Free, Home of the Brave is dead. Stay inside. OBEY."

[speeder]

Originally Posted by island911

^ but at least people have been told to stay home and stay stressed. (be afraid)

Seriously, one would think that -if the CDC et al cared about helping health- that the message of exercise would be loud and clear. Maybe go for a long walk on a beach... oh wait.

Instead we got the vaccine-a-thon on all channels 24/7. The "entertainment" being the message of "the old Land of the Free, Home of the Brave is dead. Stay inside. OBEY."

JFK started a big fitness challenge with "The President's Fitness Medal" or something similar which I remember participating in as a child in grade school in the late '60s. You had to do a certain number of push-ups and sit-ups to win the little medal, he understood the importance of fitness and health and instilling it early. No POTUS since has really kept up the tradition. I would argue that Trump set the worst example with his lard ass but it's never really been a leadership thing since Kennedy.

And as to your other failed analogy, (a serious pattern), doctors and nurses definitely consider that fat people and/or smokers have ruined their own health when they show up with heart disease.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by speeder

JFK started a big fitness challenge with "The President's Fitness Medal" or something similar which I remember participating in as a child in grade school in the late '60s. You had to do a certain number of push-ups and sit-ups to win the little medal, he understood the importance of fitness and health and instilling it early. No POTUS since has really kept up the tradition. I would argue that Trump set the worst example with his lard ass but it's never really been a leadership thing since Kennedy.

And as to your other failed analogy, (a serious pattern), doctors and nurses definitely consider that fat people and/or smokers have ruined their own health when they show up with heart disease.

I was on my high schools' fitness team in '67 and '68. It was tough.

Each event had a max of 100 points. 80 sit ups in one minute, 60 push ups, 30 up downs, 14 pull up and a 200 yard shuttle run.

[speeder]

The people she is talking about are probably all obese with non-functioning immune systems, (that somehow mysteriously kept them alive all these years), but still:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stages-vaccination-intensive-care-respiratory-therapist

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by speeder

The people she is talking about are probably all obese with non-functioning immune systems, (that somehow mysteriously kept them alive all these years), but still:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stages-vaccination-intensive-care-respiratory-therapist

Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Riddle me this. Why are medical experts not starting treatment before hospitalization?
monoclonal antibodies have have proven to prevent hospitalization in 97.3% of cases.
The outrage should be lack of outpatient care.
Mike

[Steve Carlton]

The outrage should more refusing to get vaccinated, which is the ultimate outpatient care. I agree that monoclonal antibodies should be rolled out as soon as called for. Dr. Fauchi has been a leading proponent of that. It does appear there is a momentum that needs to be overcome and things are getting better. According to this article, but the time it's recommended, it's close to too late. Looks like the Feds are paying around $2,100 per dose for this stuff.

I'm not so sure about the 97.3% rate of prevention of hospitalization, but it's high either way.

That article Denis posted is heartbreaking. I wonder what percentage of people would be vaccinated if it wasn't for the disinformation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-monoclonal-abbott/2021/08/19/a39a0b5e-0029-11ec-a664-4f6de3e17ff0_story.html

[Steve Carlton]

Here's an interesting article from today.

"How small are the chances of the average vaccinated American contracting Covid? Probably about one in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/briefing/risk-breakthrough-infections-delta.html?searchResultPosition=1

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Riddle me this. Why are medical experts not starting treatment before hospitalization?
monoclonal antibodies have have proven to prevent hospitalization in 97.3% of cases.
The outrage should be lack of outpatient care.
Mike

I'll start.

From the GSK package insert.

Clinical Worsening After SARS-CoV-2 Monoclonal Antibody Administration
Clinical worsening of COVID-19 after administration of SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody treatment has been reported and may include signs or symptoms of fever, hypoxia or increased respiratory difficulty, arrythmia (e.g., atrial fibrillation, tachycardia, bradycardia), fatigue, and altered mental status. Some of these events required hospitalization. It is not known if these events were related to SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody use or were due to progression of COVID-19.

You seem to think that the medical community isn't doing what they can. It is. The hospitals are full again and the staff had enough the last time it came to this and so are quitting at an even faster rate. There is NO incentive to skimp on anything that would keep people out of overflowing hospitals. The issue is a LOT of people are unwilling to do the things that would keep themselves from being hospitalized while *****ing about all of it...until it's too late.

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by pavulon

I'll start.

From the GSK package insert.

Clinical Worsening After SARS-CoV-2 Monoclonal Antibody Administration
Clinical worsening of COVID-19 after administration of SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody treatment has been reported and may include signs or symptoms of fever, hypoxia or increased respiratory difficulty, arrythmia (e.g., atrial fibrillation, tachycardia, bradycardia), fatigue, and altered mental status. Some of these events required hospitalization. It is not known if these events were related to SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody use or were due to progression of COVID-19.

You seem to think that the medical community isn't doing what they can. It is. The hospitals are full again and the staff had enough the last time it came to this and so are quitting at an even faster rate. There is NO incentive to skimp on anything that would keep people out of overflowing hospitals. The issue is a LOT of people are unwilling to do the things that would keep themselves from being hospitalized while *****ing about all of it...until it's too late.

Yes I think that's true. At the end of the day why are people waiting till they need supplemental oxygen before they head to the hospital?
As long as you can contact your doctor and they can administer monoclonal antibodies and other drugs the hospital's are giving patient obviously before you need to be hospitalized.
Mike

[pmax]

Originally Posted by island911

...back to your arm.

Booster shots after 8 months.

60 days.