Coronavirus vaccine

[island911]

Apparently it depends on your vaccination status.

https://vaccinedeaths.com/2021-11-23-vaccinated-english-adults-dying-twice-rate-unvaccinated.html

Sez "Vaccinated adults under age 60 are dying at TWICE the rate of unvaccinated…"

That can't be right.

[Sooner or later]

Here is where Alex makes the claim
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60




When I go to the link that Alex supplies there is no table 4. Table 3 is data with covid related deaths.


Here is an explanation of the Covid rates from that data. . Simpson's Paradox again.
https://www.ntu.ac.uk/about-us/news/news-articles/2021/11/in-the-wrong-hands,-vaccination-statistics-can-prove-deadly-simpsons-paradox-shows-why

[Sooner or later]

Overall death rates will be greatly affected by that huge 10-59 age range. I'm not going to look up actual numbers, though anyone should be able to understand the basic premise.

Let's split that 50 year range in half.

10-34 and 35-59

We know that the normal death rate for all deaths in the 10-34 group is far lower than the 35-59 group.

We also know the rate of vaccination in the 10-34 group is lower than the 35-59 group.

We end up with a group of people that die at a far lower normal rate that are less vaccinated compared to a group that dies at a far higher rate that are far more vaccinated.

When the data from the groups are combined it can cause people like Alex to possibly come to an inaccurate conclusion.

More information is needed in smaller date ranges.

[pmax]

The overall mortality over the years is the right measure. Did the virus or the response destroy more lives ?

[island911]

Originally Posted by pmax

The overall mortality over the years is the right measure. Did the virus or the response destroy more lives ?

Well the end of life certainly was horrifically lonely for those captive in nursing homes.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

...
Here is an explanation of the Covid rates from that data. . Simpson's Paradox again.
https://www.ntu.ac.uk/about-us/news/news-articles/2021/11/in-the-wrong-hands,-vaccination-statistics-can-prove-deadly-simpsons-paradox-shows-why

Thanks for that. So then a combination of low covid death in that group and high vaccination numbers on the old-end of that group. ( a whole lot of unvaccinated healthy young people.)

Begs the question of why we should push this vaccine on kids and even teens.

[timchar]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Am I the only one who sees this as an asinine statement? A virus with less than 2% mortality? So, people with natural immunity will somehow die? No unvax’d person will fully recover? No fully vax’d person will die? So much about that statement is just wrong. But I’m sure it frightens the weak minded.

The sooner we all understand that speeder is the smartest guy in the room, the better off we’ll be. He’s overly impressed with his wisdom and knowledge. Almost narcissistic.
Tim

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Am I the only one who sees this as an asinine statement? A virus with less than 2% mortality? So, people with natural immunity will somehow die? No unvax’d person will fully recover? No fully vax’d person will die? So much about that statement is just wrong. But I’m sure it frightens the weak minded.

I think that you are the only one that doesn't understand what he said. And hey, don't shoot the messenger!

Originally Posted by timchar

The sooner we all understand that speeder is the smartest guy in the room, the better off we’ll be. He’s overly impressed with his wisdom and knowledge. Almost narcissistic.
Tim

You think about me too much. Find a hobby or something, I don't want your attention.

[timchar]

Speeder- you’re the one on here 24/7.... Any thought by me regarding you will be an afterthought.
Don’t flatter yourself.
Tim