Porsche Boxster/Cayman are ending production

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by ramonesfreak

I am not so much against tech.

If executed correctly, it can be great...and look good too

You think that until you see the post warranty bill for a new dash screen like my colleague got on his Audi... ;-) (or a PDK replacement) I've never had a failed "complete instrument cluster" in 40y of car ownership at most a sender, not even a gauge... LOL.. Anyway I hear you.

Funny thing is I don't even hate EVs, I've had 3 in succession, but I wish they would not mess with success on the boxster/cayman until the last possible minute, because it's looking like that timeframe will be a moving target. I understand lead time, go for it, prep for Ev, but why are you killing the ICE flavor ? The GTS is seling well (4.0 flat 6), read the room Porsche... People want a 6, preferably N/A. With all the parts bin they do, why can't they continue that ? Oh well..

[3rd_gear_Ted]

I'll take a Cayman GTS 4.0 over a GT3 any day

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

Or maybe we are just a bunch of old farts.
Time will tell. (The cars, not us. LOL)

100%. Hey, our music was better too ;-)

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted

I'll take a Cayman GTS 4.0 over a GT3 any day

I drove both at PECLA and I agree with you. I love the GT3 but not as a daily and not at that price. The GTS 4.0 was amazing and a lot more fun on the skid pad stuff, and did not feel too much slower on the track stuff (at least for 1/2 the price used) - sounds good too..

I cannot believe Porsche is cutting off those great cars this soon (before the deadline), especially with much delayed replacements. Could be a Euro-reg thing but at least sell them here !

[aschen]

Its a fantasy Porsche would never do, but the ultimate porsche would be easy to parts bin: Motorsports engine from gt4rs/gt3, 6MT, skip rear wheel steering, normal Cayman bodywork, Leave the spoiler up, skip active dampers even, 18" wheels (or 19" if you must), normalish sized brakes, Call it the Cayman ST or whatever. should be under 3k lbs.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

You think that until you see the post warranty bill for a new dash screen like my colleague got on his Audi... ;-) (or a PDK replacement) I've never had a failed "complete instrument cluster" in 40y of car ownership at most a sender, not even a gauge... LOL.. Anyway I hear you.

Funny thing is I don't even hate EVs, I've had 3 in succession, but I wish they would not mess with success on the boxster/cayman until the last possible minute, because it's looking like that timeframe will be a moving target. I understand lead time, go for it, prep for Ev, but why are you killing the ICE flavor ? The GTS is seling well (4.0 flat 6), read the room Porsche... People want a 6, preferably N/A. With all the parts bin they do, why can't they continue that ? Oh well..

In 2018 I rented an Audi for a week for a vacation. Its dash was all computer screen which was actually pretty cool, being able to adjust what you see on the fly.

gauges


or full Nav screen


or just about anything else that you could imagine.

I thought it was cool. I also thought, "holy crap, I wouldn't want to own this thing when that goes bad!" I feel like these cars are for the "own new for 3-5 years and then trade in" crowd which has never been me.

My '08 Boxster isn't too bad. I've got an aftermarket head unit. It does have PASM, although I think there are aftermarket solutions (or just going to non-active shocks). It's got the module under the seat that can get wet under certain circumstances. I've also seen some folks that had the little LCD screen at the bottom of the tach go wonky.

My wife's got a 2018 Outback. It's got eyesight which fails open so shouldn't be a problem if/when it fails. Her infotainment screen delaminated which was a huge pain, but aftermarket screen replacements eventually became available so that's fixed. It's got "eye liner" on the headlights (thin LEDs in a shape) that can't easily be replaced without replacing the entire housing. For a 2018, it's surprisingly not too bad as far as gizmos goes. The guages are just that, gauges.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by faverymi

Their bread and butter are Cayenne and Macan

What a sad state of affairs...

[Baz]

I love the 6 cylinder wail of my Boxster..........it never gets old!!!

[DWBOX2000]

I really think they should have gone backwards instead of forward with the Box/Cayman. Keep it light, simple and fun. Work on the soul. I know emissions plays a factor but not everyone wants to mix complexity with a fun car. An affordable, more fuel efficient 275hp under 3k lbs car should be achievable. My gut says this won’t go well for my favorite Porsches.

[don911]

The platform had a good run. I sold my 993 for chance to get a cayman GTS 4.0 when I heard the rumor that production was ending in 2024. I think 2025 production was a surprise but looks like the end is real this time.
The GTS 4.0 is an awesome car and as close to a GT4 Touring that you can get. The "old" style interior with the GTS interior option is the last best interior IMO.

[onewhippedpuppy]

What I don’t understand is why you can’t sell both. EVs certainly have their place, introduce EV versions of your models to complement existing ICE cars. It’s a very shortsighted approach.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

What I don’t understand is why you can’t sell both. EVs certainly have their place, introduce EV versions of your models to complement existing ICE cars. It’s a very shortsighted approach.

European "green" laws. And noise, and the hate of ICE buy the European and German governments.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

European "green" laws. And noise, and the hate of ICE buy the European and German governments.

Too bad governments don’t buy a lot of Porsches. Feels like a really stupid decision.

[afterburn 549]

I have a different slant on this than some.
Hate me if you want.
Love the car, but I HATE all their congenital defects, and if you don't know about them, well, you have your head in the sand!
From the very expensive problems (defects) as 20K repairs with their PDK, cylinder bore scoring,
and a plethora of smaller problems, it's just not a car from the used car market as the 911 sort of was.'
However, they came with a bunch of problems too.
Remember the pulled studs?
Cylinder coating failures? (too)
And lots of others like window regulators all breaking
DME?
Etc etc.
These were surmountable for the enthusiast .
But attending the never-ending classes of the right oil, cylinder, and case repairs for the newer Boxter engines is prohibitive.
Buying new and under warranty is all great, but you can't run fast enough to sell me these used, and the problems I have only touched on.
So what happens when the reputation proceeds?
It's always the money trail.
I will have to guess that there is no money to be made in the new sales??.
Believe me I tried hard to convince myself to buy a Cayman.
In the end I fell for the Toyota GR Supra, which is actually a BMW.
So far, their working history is pretty much bulletproof.
You are for sure allowed to disagree with any of this all you like
Carry on.

[berettafan]

Burn I don't disagree. Every time I get close to spending real money on a p-car this sort of stuff has to be reviewed to figure out which year is best and I consistently come away with the feeling of P cars have entirely too much risk for dumb crap that was poorly engineered.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by DWBOX2000

An affordable, more fuel efficient 275hp under 3k lbs car should be achievable. My gut says this won’t go well for my favorite Porsches.

Abso-friggin-lutely! This should be the war cry of enthusiasts everywhere!

Perfect specs, just perfect. My GTI is the closest I could find given real life (room for golf clubs, etc) considerations. Would love more options (with manual transmissions). At some point I'm gonna test drive an m240ix (did I get those letters right?) and maybe whatever Audi has in that range. Might take a spin in the GM/Ford options but not a huge pony car fan due to crap finish quality and materials. Did see a really sharp Camaro SS yesterday that had me back on cars.com.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by berettafan

Abso-friggin-lutely! This should be the war cry of enthusiasts everywhere!

Perfect specs, just perfect. My GTI is the closest I could find given real life (room for golf clubs, etc) considerations. Would love more options (with manual transmissions). At some point I'm gonna test drive an m240ix (did I get those letters right?) and maybe whatever Audi has in that range. Might take a spin in the GM/Ford options but not a huge pony car fan due to crap finish quality and materials. Did see a really sharp Camaro SS yesterday that had me back on cars.com.

A modern version of the Mazdaspeed Miata would be amazing. The aftermarket can pretty easily get 240 HP out of a turbo kit. One of my someday projects is to build an ND1 RF. 240 HP, 2,400 lbs, great suspension, sign me up! That or swap an FD RX7 13B-REW turbo motor into my RX8.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I have a different slant on this than some.
Hate me if you want.
Love the car, but I HATE all their congenital defects, and if you don't know about them, well, you have your head in the sand!
From the very expensive problems (defects) as 20K repairs with their PDK, cylinder bore scoring,
and a plethora of smaller problems..........

I agree, and I'm disappointed that this litany of problems has me looking elsewhere.

How can regular folks save money for a medical emergency, job loss, retirement, home improvements and so forth if their mode of transportation threatens to sap dry financial resources at any moment.

Mode of transportation is important to be, but there has got to be a rational balance of priorities.

I just put $4,300 into my 13 year old Infiniti because it allows my other dreams and aspirations to stay alive, and those dreams include restoring my 1977 targa.

[GH85Carrera]

I did the full two day Porsche Driving Experience at Barber Motorsport track in Birmingham, AL.

Most of the time we drove a 450+ HP 911 GTS. We also had seat time in a Cayman GTS, and Tycan Turbos S and even one session in the 911 Turbo S. The turbo S is just astonishingly fast, and I kept expecting to see the white stars flashing past like in Star Wars when they jump to hyperspace.

The 911 GTS we drove were started, sitting idling, AC on 60 (it was warm in Birmingham) and we did a 20 minute session, and moved to a different lesson, another group hopped in the same cars, and did their 20 minute session. The 911s ran all day, and never had one issue except needing to be refueled. The were all amazing vehicles. I loved the GTS, and and the PDK is astonishing and faster to leave it in full auto then try to shift it yourself. Not one of the instructors, with tens of thousands of laps can beat the PDK left in auto. I felt the stability control help me make a corner I went into too hot. Just astonishing tech.

Then 3 days later I drove my 200 HP, 100% analog antique 85 911. I turned off the AC compressor but ran the AC fans and fresh air fans to help keep me cool. 30 minute sessions, no issues at all. It was a LOT slower, but twice the fun, as it was all me driving the car, no computers involved.

I then loaded it up with all the stuff needed for myself and my wife, and drove it home.

The day I can't get in and out on my old 911 easily, I might think of a newer Porsche. I will fight for the right to party behind the wheel of my antique. After 30 years of ownership, I am very bonded to it.

[KNS]

Originally Posted by DWBOX2000

An affordable, more fuel efficient 275hp under 3k lbs car should be achievable. My gut says this won’t go well for my favorite Porsches.

Porsche is very concerned about their aging demographic (the same problem with GM and Corvette buyers). I find it hard to believe that they can't figure out why a 25 year old is unable to afford a $100,000+ sports car.

[rfuerst911sc]

In my opinion Porsche needs an entry level modern 914 and 924 . Price it in the Miata range . Opens the door for younger or first time buyers .